Seeking book recommendations : The Stuarts in England

Started by garbon, April 13, 2009, 11:51:56 AM

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Faeelin

#15
April 13, 2009, 12:51:47 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 13, 2009, 12:39:53 PM
Scotland: We fail at colonization.  :scots:

On the other hand, if you want to conquer India...  :yeah:

Valmy

#16
April 13, 2009, 01:01:15 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 13, 2009, 12:39:53 PMScotland: We fail at colonization.  :scots:

History shows the Scots are actually among the greatest colonizers and conquerers ever...at least they were once they joined up with England.
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Barrister

#17
April 13, 2009, 01:04:36 PM
Yeah, I wondered about MIM's statement as well.

All of the great fur traders and explorers in Canada were Scottish.
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MadImmortalMan

#18
April 13, 2009, 01:10:14 PM
Only under British command. :contract:
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Barrister

#19
April 13, 2009, 01:11:14 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 13, 2009, 01:10:14 PM
Only under British command. :contract:

Under British flag, but Scottish command. :contract:
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Sheilbh

#20
April 13, 2009, 01:12:04 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 13, 2009, 12:17:47 PMPrior to becoming married to England Scotland was an unimportant backwater.  Something about being joined to England suddenly turned the Scots into geniuses.
The Stuarts were, actually a remarkably successful and able dynasty until the moved into England.  Some Scottish Stuart kings are almost model Renaissance princes.

I really enjoyed Austin Woolrych's 'Britain in Revolution: 1625-60'.  I haven't read but will get John Adamson's 'The Noble Revolt' which focuses, I believe entirely, on 1640-2.  It's got good reviews.
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MadImmortalMan

#21
April 13, 2009, 01:14:14 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 13, 2009, 01:11:14 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 13, 2009, 01:10:14 PM
Only under British command. :contract:

Under British flag, but Scottish command. :contract:

Meh. Same thing. I was talking about this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darien_scheme

"Stability is destabilizing." --Hyman Minsky

"Complacency can be a self-denying prophecy."
"We have nothing to fear but lack of fear itself." --Larry Summers

Valmy

#22
April 13, 2009, 01:15:24 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 13, 2009, 01:14:14 PM
Meh. Same thing. I was talking about this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darien_scheme

Ah yes....they certainly did fail at colonization prior to 1700.

That was my point about the Act of Union seemingly turning the Scots in geniuses who could not lose. 
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garbon

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April 13, 2009, 01:27:26 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 13, 2009, 01:12:04 PM
I really enjoyed Austin Woolrych's 'Britain in Revolution: 1625-60'.

That tome sounds like a beast! :o
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saskganesh

#24
April 13, 2009, 02:23:13 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 13, 2009, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 13, 2009, 12:25:54 PM
I have no idea why it worked so well considering how much the Scots and English had disliked each other for so long prior to the Union.  Heck even the Union itself was based on England taking advantage of Scottish poverty and misfortune.



Scotland: We fail at colonization.  :scots:

well, independent colonization. like sweden and courland. they failed too.

yet, ever been to Canada? this country was run by Scots for about a century and a half. look at India, Burma, elsewhere. the Scots arguably ran the British (not English) Empire.
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Valmy

#25
April 13, 2009, 02:42:49 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on April 13, 2009, 02:23:13 PM
well, independent colonization. like sweden and courland. they failed too.

yet, ever been to Canada? this country was run by Scots for about a century and a half. look at India, Burma, elsewhere. the Scots arguably ran the British (not English) Empire.

:yes:

The British Empire was truly a British enterprise not an English one.
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Ed Anger

#26
April 13, 2009, 02:44:08 PM
The Welsh ran the dung heaps, that being all they could do.
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saskganesh

#27
April 13, 2009, 02:44:30 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 13, 2009, 01:15:24 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 13, 2009, 01:14:14 PM
Meh. Same thing. I was talking about this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darien_scheme

Ah yes....they certainly did fail at colonization prior to 1700.

That was my point about the Act of Union seemingly turning the Scots in geniuses who could not lose.

in plant breeding, they call a similar phenomena "hybrid vigour."

to maintain the vigour over several generations, you generally have to crossbreed the parent stock back in. this extended biological metaphor has interesting implications for scot's nationalism.
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saskganesh

#28
April 13, 2009, 02:45:32 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 13, 2009, 02:44:08 PM
The Welsh ran the dung heaps, that being all they could do.

Taffy joined the army and got to shoot at teh Fuzzies. he was happy.
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Caliga

#29
April 13, 2009, 02:45:37 PM
@sask
That's why Tiger Woods is so good at golf :smarty:
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