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Started by Martinus, March 21, 2011, 08:36:07 AM

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Razgovory

#5340
October 03, 2014, 08:04:56 PM
Well paradoxes are the name of the game, no?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Valmy

#5341
October 03, 2014, 08:12:59 PM
In the Ottonian Empire the role of Viceroy was played by Bishops.  Theoretically this should be a good option for Western Monarchs and why the Investiture Controversy was such a big deal.  They have never really gotten this to work in game though I think that was the original intention.
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garbon

#5342
October 03, 2014, 08:21:47 PM
Well you can currently assign the heir for bishops in your realm. Trouble is that there isn't really much reason to do so.
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Martinus

#5343
October 04, 2014, 12:51:10 AM
Quote from: garbon on October 03, 2014, 08:21:47 PM
Well you can currently assign the heir for bishops in your realm. Trouble is that there isn't really much reason to do so.

Why not? You could set up Archishoprics to work as mini-viceroyalties.

Martinus

#5344
October 04, 2014, 12:53:07 AM
Quote from: garbon on October 03, 2014, 07:57:42 PM
Ah but Raz, centralization is completely different from viceroys in CK2 terms. Which one poster noted that to have a large centralized empire best strategy is to have realm mostly ruled by viceroys...so paradoxically a centralized one is also a rather decentralized one.

Wouldn't an empire governed by king-appointed governors actually be pretty centralised? It's not like centralised late medieval countries were micro-managed from the capital. You needed some trusted people on the ground - the key was that they were your trusted appointees and not the local feudal nobility (which viceroys exactly model).

Razgovory

#5345
October 04, 2014, 03:03:02 AM
Part of the problem is that we are talking about a very wide area over a very long time.  No one system can accurately represent them all.  Hell some of these societies had no recorded states at all, such as the Samoyeds, some of whom were nomads.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Martinus

#5346
October 04, 2014, 03:13:52 AM
I think what would work is to make Viceroys available either with a significantly high tech or, earlier, to certain (Eastern/Muslim) cultures.

Zanza

#5347
October 04, 2014, 03:27:16 AM
It will be out on October 14th.

Pedrito

#5348
October 04, 2014, 03:35:33 AM
This game is really getting better and better.  :)

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garbon

#5349
October 06, 2014, 09:46:18 AM
So apparently this is going to be $14.99? I think this will be the first DLC that I actually wait for a sale on. -_-
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garbon

#5350
October 08, 2014, 07:44:22 AM
QuoteByzantium gets a special law giving them access to the Viceroys early ( everyone else needs fairly high tech ) and giving them a slightly easier time managing their vassals.
Byzantine King level Viceroys are called Exarchs and their title is refered to as an Exarchate
Byzantine Duke level Viceroys are called Strategos and their their title is refered to as a Theme
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I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Tamas

#5351
October 08, 2014, 07:47:02 AM
Quote from: garbon on October 08, 2014, 07:44:22 AM
QuoteByzantium gets a special law giving them access to the Viceroys early ( everyone else needs fairly high tech ) and giving them a slightly easier time managing their vassals.
Byzantine King level Viceroys are called Exarchs and their title is refered to as an Exarchate
Byzantine Duke level Viceroys are called Strategos and their their title is refered to as a Theme

Yeah. Byzantium was too hard to play anyways, good to make it easier.

garbon

#5352
October 08, 2014, 07:57:11 AM
New method for founding HRE:

"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."

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jimmy olsen

#5353
October 08, 2014, 08:28:35 AM
Wealth of 221.9?  :huh:
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Martinus

#5354
October 08, 2014, 11:27:20 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 08, 2014, 08:28:35 AM
Wealth of 221.9?  :huh:

This is probably a function of something else - maybe a fraction of the Pope's wealth?
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