Crusader Kings 2 Redux

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[Valmy]

Do you have gavelkind? If so that severely restricts what you can give your heir as it plots out others for your other sons.

I thought you could only give titles away to heirs based on what they were slotted to get anyway.

Anyway I have found playing with Gavelkind was the main problem I had in my games.  Once I went to different succession laws everything got immensely better.  It was just crazy just succession war after succession war.

[garbon]

I thought you could only give titles away to heirs based on what they were slotted to get anyway.

Main heir, yes but other sons you can change it up.

[Valmy]

Main heir, yes but other sons you can change it up.

Ah didn't know that.  That seems like cheating to me but hey whatever.

[garbon]

Main heir, yes but other sons you can change it up.

Ah didn't know that.  That seems like cheating to me but hey whatever.

How so? As far as cheating.

[Valmy]

How so? As far as cheating.

It just seems weird that if the succession law demands certain lands go to certain sons how are you able to mess with it?  If you have primogeniture and your first born is a hunchback inbred simpleton while your second son is a genius you cannot just fiddle around with the succession order.  Strange you can fiddle with it in Gavelkind.  Granted Gavelkind was a lot more of a guideline than a series of laws.

[garbon]

How so? As far as cheating.

It just seems weird that if the succession law demands certain lands go to certain sons how are you able to mess with it?  If you have primogeniture and your first born is a hunchback inbred simpleton while your second son is a genius you cannot just fiddle around with the succession order.  Strange you can fiddle with it in Gavelkind.  Granted Gavelkind was a lot more of a guideline than a series of laws.

Well you can't really fiddle with succession order on Gavelkind. Your primary heir will still only be able to receive a few lands. What you are allowed to do though is mess with the handing out of titles - but the other sons will still want their fair share. Only thing it really allows you to do is making handouts more sensible, so give second son two counties together rather than the separate ones it might end up giving him.

Balance of power isn't altered too much / by landing other sons earlier (before inheritance), you've made them a little more powerful as they will now be established rulers.

[OttoVonBismarck]

Gavelkind is interesting and in some ways sticking with it for an entire play through would be a good way to add challenge to the game, but every game I play gavelkind I just end up mass-murdering unwanted heirs and eventually switching to another succession law whenever I can (bit longer process if you start off as Pagan, though.)

[jimmy olsen]

I've been using Elective in my Asturias -> Leon game. It's perfect for all these little one and two duchy kingdoms. Whoever you pick wins the election and it gives your family members a relation boost.

[garbon]

Gavelkind is interesting and in some ways sticking with it for an entire play through would be a good way to add challenge to the game, but every game I play gavelkind I just end up mass-murdering unwanted heirs and eventually switching to another succession law whenever I can (bit longer process if you start off as Pagan, though.)

Oh I always just make a point to take back titles from my brothers.

[Queequeg]

Primogeniture is where it's at. 

[garbon]

For a fairly boring ride.

[Queequeg]

Isn't boring the entire point?  It minimizes internal conflict and makes inheritance predictable so you can inherit realms.   

[Queequeg]

I guess I'm a bit of a powergamer because you don't get to survive an Invasion CB from the Abbasids as Old Gods Armenia by sticking to Gavelkind. 

[garbon]

I don't play CK to be bored, no. After all, it is so easy to take over many realms (though I guess maybe not in your 10,000 province map) that such doesn't interest me. My most fun is still my Slavic religion - Russian/Polish game where with one grandaughter inheriting I was reduced to a one province duchy and had to build myself back up.