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Crusader Kings 2 Redux

Started by Martinus, March 21, 2011, 08:36:07 AM

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garbon

Finally developed a good starting strategy for Wessex in 867.

1) Don't bother marrying off Æthelred. His stats really suck and any important alliance partners (like West Francia) are useless as they have little to no ships and their doomstacks will just chill on the other side of the channel.

2) Keep all 9 of your counties. Again his stats suck so your vassals are still mostly unhappy when you carve up your realm and all you've managed to do is severely limit the amount of troops you can call up.

3) Play a minimal role in the starting wars for Northumberland and East Anglia. For the most part the two Norse opponents have enough troops/can call enough allies that both are pretty much lost causes. AI is also very bad at coordinating with you anyway...<_<

4) Instead, save up money so you can save up to purchase the cheap mercs (75 a pop) when Jylland inevitably launches its prepared invasion against Mercia (or sometimes Wessex) which arrives around late 870. If you can crush this, you've pretty smooth sailing as that's the last of special armies for the Norse states.

5) Oh and hopefully in the meantime, one of your courtiers will have decided they Æthelred enough to have him murdered. Let it occur so you can get Alfred with his awesome stats. Despite him being new, pretty much everyone will love him so you can safely spin off counties till you reach your demesne limit.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."

I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Valmy

Quote from: Queequeg on June 07, 2013, 08:05:44 PM
Several Russian wars against the various Catholic powers might fall under the rubric of a holy war. 

:yeahright:

But if we are talking about Russians we are talking about the EU time period not this one.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Queequeg

Quote from: Valmy on June 10, 2013, 07:25:52 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on June 07, 2013, 08:05:44 PM
Several Russian wars against the various Catholic powers might fall under the rubric of a holy war. 

:yeahright:

But if we are talking about Russians we are talking about the EU time period not this one.
CK breaks from history the moment you start playing it, and Muscovy was expanding very rapidly near the end of the CK timeframe. 
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

garbon

Quote from: Queequeg on June 10, 2013, 08:36:58 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 10, 2013, 07:25:52 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on June 07, 2013, 08:05:44 PM
Several Russian wars against the various Catholic powers might fall under the rubric of a holy war. 

:yeahright:

But if we are talking about Russians we are talking about the EU time period not this one.
CK breaks from history the moment you start playing it, and Muscovy was expanding very rapidly near the end of the CK timeframe. 

Yes so something that theoretically could have applied to Muscovy should apply for the whole period to call Orthodox nations. Gotcha. :P
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."

I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Valmy

Quote from: Queequeg on June 10, 2013, 08:36:58 PM
CK breaks from history the moment you start playing it, and Muscovy was expanding very rapidly near the end of the CK timeframe. 

In any case I do not accept your little theory that the Russian Tsars were declaring Holy Wars against Catholic nations.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Solmyr

Quote from: Queequeg on June 10, 2013, 08:36:58 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 10, 2013, 07:25:52 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on June 07, 2013, 08:05:44 PM
Several Russian wars against the various Catholic powers might fall under the rubric of a holy war. 

:yeahright:

But if we are talking about Russians we are talking about the EU time period not this one.
CK breaks from history the moment you start playing it, and Muscovy was expanding very rapidly near the end of the CK timeframe.

They were annexing other Russians. Expanding against Catholics and Muslims didn't take place until the 16th century.

Viking

Besides, when fighting crusading orders every war is holy.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Maximus

Norse republics are essentially unplayable. If you have a title other than your family estate, gavelkind gives your estate to a non-primary heir upon death causing game over.

Razgovory

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 05, 2013, 10:05:54 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 05, 2013, 05:31:01 AM
You really shouldn't get reputation hits for Tyrannical acts with the highest royal authority.  I mean you are already a tyrant. 

High crown authority is far from tyranny.  The administrative capacity and infrastucture didn't exist to have anything resembling an absolutist regime.  The negative hit from high Crown authority vs. the hit from particular acts are addressing two different things.  The first is the general suppression of traditional rights and the placement of "new men" in office; the second is for particular actions that violate cultural assumptions of justice and fairness.

I was thinking more along the lines of game balance.  As it is, there is little reason to have high crown authority and some kings replaced a lot of their nobles something that really isn't that easy in the game.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

garbon

Yeah often better to get to high to get primo and then go back to medium.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."

I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Agelastus

 :hmm:

While I wasn't paying attention the (Catholic) Il-Khanate inherited (Catholic) Byzantium.

Since, albeit sans Egypt, this agglomeration of power looks like a Persian Emperor's wet dream I'd have gone stab- and plot- happy had I noticed what was happening.

I may go back a save or so and do so anyway - it looks darned weird seeing all these proud Greek nobles labelled as "high chief" etc. :lol:
"Come grow old with me
The Best is yet to be
The last of life for which the first was made."

garbon

I like the thread that puts up a nationalistic defense of Genghis Khan.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."

I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Queequeg

Quote from: Valmy on June 10, 2013, 11:14:44 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on June 10, 2013, 08:36:58 PM
CK breaks from history the moment you start playing it, and Muscovy was expanding very rapidly near the end of the CK timeframe. 

In any case I do not accept your little theory that the Russian Tsars were declaring Holy Wars against Catholic nations.
IDK how you'd model Muscovy's claims on the Russian lands of the Grand Duke of Lithuania, and if the Catholics can do it to Orthodox it seems unfair for it to not work the other way around.
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

garbon

Quote from: Queequeg on June 14, 2013, 11:22:04 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 10, 2013, 11:14:44 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on June 10, 2013, 08:36:58 PM
CK breaks from history the moment you start playing it, and Muscovy was expanding very rapidly near the end of the CK timeframe. 

In any case I do not accept your little theory that the Russian Tsars were declaring Holy Wars against Catholic nations.
IDK how you'd model Muscovy's claims on the Russian lands of the Grand Duke of Lithuania, and if the Catholics can do it to Orthodox it seems unfair for it to not work the other way around.

:huh:

Catholics can't declare holy wars on Orthodox nations (Tam's borked pirate copy notwithstanding ;)).
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."

I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

garbon

Given that paradox represents Nicaea using Byzantine Empire, why is the destruction of the Byzantine Empire a condition for forming the Latin Empire?
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."

I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.