Crusader Kings 2 Redux

[Caliga]

uhh, at one point the Magyars had an empire that looked exactly like that, didn't they?

[Viking]

uhh, at one point the Magyars had an empire that looked exactly like that, didn't they?

Calling it an empire might be presumptious..

[Queequeg]

uhh, at one point the Magyars had an empire that looked exactly like that, didn't they?

Not really.  They migrated from one region to the other.  They invaded Carpathia during the collapse of the Khazar Khaganate, of which they were federated. 

[garbon]

Change log for beta patch via Steam

MAJOR:
- Added a "Retract Vassal" interaction
- Disallowed destruction of non-titular titles under Gavelkind

INTERFACE:
- Added lots of portrait fixes from the "CK2 Portrait Fixes" mod by zebez
- Adjusted the random CoA colors and color choices
- Scripted a lot of CoAs for various dynasties
- The CoAs of titles named after a dynasty now match the dynasty CoA
- Bishops no longer wear pope hats, but the pope does
- Livonia now has the correct pagan flag
- Buildings requiring a coastal province now show up in the tech tooltip even if the capital is not coastal
- Fixed some tooltips in the settlement view not showing building levels with the name
- Nicknames are now shown for heads of religion
- The 'Grant Independence' action is no longer even shown if the recipient is not your vassal
- The 'Prepare Invasion' action is now shown but grayed out if you are at war with the recipient
- Added missing Bektashi religion description
- Endgame screen now shows correct score for characters
- Added missing name of the Reformed Aztec Church title
- Tweaked the religion colors to make them more distinct
- Corrected some event text typos

GAMEPLAY:
- Norse Pagans can no longer employ the coastal conquest CB against other pagans (neighboring counties can still be taken though)
- The Subjugation CB can now only be used once per lifetime instead of every 10 years. (Unless you have the 'Become King' ambition.)
- Characters with the "Become King" ambition and access to the subjugation CB can no longer move their capital out of the de jure kingdom
- Subjugated rulers of another religion now get a smaller opinion bonus vs the winner, lasting for a shorter time
- Fixed a bug with many vassalizing casus bellis where the target's own counties would be seized when they should not be
- Tengri Pagans are now limited to Agnatic succession
- The Jomsvikings now reform if the Norse reformation takes place
- Fixed an issue where the primary heir under Gavelkind would not inherit the capital county
- West African pagans can now also raid
- Lowered the spawn rate of TOG rebels by 20%
- Added the "Ghanan Band" mercenary company
- Slavic, Baltic and Finnish Pagans now get a bonus to their levy sizes, at the cost of their garrison bonus
- Fixed a problem with the decadence invasion event
- Fixed a bug with decadence revolts ending strangely on the attacking ruler's death
- Court Chaplain job events no longer restricted to men for pagans
- Made the Chancellor job to improve relations more effective
- Mercenary ships will no longer spawn in major rivers
- The Viking trait can now only be gained by adults
- Heirs returning from the Varangian Guard to take the throne of their dead father can no longer get the same event twice
- Piast the Wheelwright and his son are now of the Piast dynasty
- Pagan festivals can now only be held in summer as intended
- City Shipyards now produce slightly more galleys than their Castle and Temple counterparts
- Fixed a bug where banishing landed vassals would not take all their titles
- Under Gavelkind, your oldest son will no longer ask for titles
- Added additional names and dynasties for Roman characters created in the Ruler Designer
- Added an earlier king of Ireland to make Irish liberation revolts possible
- 867: Strengthened the coastal Baltic, Slavic and Finnish tribes with better Holdings
- 867: Slightly strengthened the initial forces of Ivar and Halfdan
- 867: The Karling kingdoms are now on Agnatic succession
- 867: Moved Uglich from the Meryas to the Vyatichi
- 867: Byzantium is now properly on Primogeniture, not Gavelkind
- 867: The Duchy of Meath now exists, called "Tara" by the Irish
- 867: Made some important vassals to the King of Italy Italian culture to prolong the survival of the culture and ensure more internal troubles
- 867: Adjusted the initial political and dynastic setup among the Baltic tribes to make them more resilient
- The vassal opinion for free investiture law now correctly only applies for Catholics
- Build cost and time is now affected by your capital tech, not the average tech in your realm
- Ignoring pagan defensive attrition is now controlled by your capital tech, not by the average tech in your realm
- Own fort level no longer affects ability to navigate major rivers
- Tweaked the AI bonuses on Hard and Very Hard difficulty settings
- Successful non-claimant adventurers are now known as "the Conqueror"
- Fixed a bug with weird dynasty names for the commanders of Liberation rebels
- Castrating or blinding a prisoner now removes the righteous imprisonment cause when they are released
- The ambition to gain a council position now only increases a skill the first time it is successful
- The generic Pagan religion now has a description and holy sites
- Added the Hellenic religion
- The events when certain cities are sacked now properly trigger for the Mongol Empire
- The event when you raise a runestone as a zealous Reformed Norse character no longer treats you as a Christian
- Captured Rebel leaders now have a "Broken Spirit" modifier, making them pretty useless
- Fixed a bug where Gavelkind could produce republics
- Fixed a general bug with multiple kingdom inheritance that could produce republics
- The decision to create the Kingdom of Leon now makes it a de jure part of the Empire of Hispania
- Trade posts are no longer counted towards the Prepared Invasion realm size limits
- Fixed a bug with being able to semi-grant invalid duchies and kingdoms to your heir under Gavelkind
- Heathen priests can now inherit titles
- Mayors and heathen priests will now marry if they are heirs to other titles
- Lack of Piety rumor event now only triggers for Christian lieges as intended
- Trade post garrisons now give less retinue cap increase
- Moved the counties of Loon and Julich from de jure Cologne to Luxemburg
- Technology points are now gained by own demesne when containing buildings that give technology points

AI:
- Will not convert to Norman culture if in a huge Norse empire
- Higher prio on building temple towns
- Adjusted propensity to backstab brothers of the faith who are primary parties in holy wars
- Behaviour is now affected subtly by the difficulty settings
- Tweaked max field army sizes a bit
- Will not agree to concubinage for title claimants

MODDING:
- Exported BASE_REVOLT_CHANCE_MOD and TOG_REVOLT_CHANCE_MOD to defines
- Added a 'can_appear' field to dynasties to prevent for example the Seljuks from appearing before their event

[Tamas]

fuck'em I have the GG version. 

[garbon]

Glad to finally see fix and understand how that pagan attrition thing was working. Pretty awful that it used to be based on average.

[Queequeg]

Hellenic religion?

[The Minsky Moment]

You really shouldn't get reputation hits for Tyrannical acts with the highest royal authority.  I mean you are already a tyrant. 

High crown authority is far from tyranny.  The administrative capacity and infrastucture didn't exist to have anything resembling an absolutist regime.  The negative hit from high Crown authority vs. the hit from particular acts are addressing two different things.  The first is the general suppression of traditional rights and the placement of "new men" in office; the second is for particular actions that violate cultural assumptions of justice and fairness.

[Valmy]

Hellenic religion?

Yeah, that's weird.  Are we talking about Zeus and Athena here?  I mean what else could it be....

And why not add Judaism?  At least that religion actually had lots of significant followers in this period.

[garbon]

The Hellenic religion is actually just for the roman emperors in the history file, and then ruler designer.

[Queequeg]

You really shouldn't get reputation hits for Tyrannical acts with the highest royal authority.  I mean you are already a tyrant. 

High crown authority is far from tyranny.  The administrative capacity and infrastucture didn't exist to have anything resembling an absolutist regime.  The negative hit from high Crown authority vs. the hit from particular acts are addressing two different things.  The first is the general suppression of traditional rights and the placement of "new men" in office; the second is for particular actions that violate cultural assumptions of justice and fairness.

I understand the distinction, but question it's validity in this period. Highly centralized states-the Macedonian Dynasty or the Ottoman Empire-got away with the latter very frequently.  The Ottoman policy of murdering your siblings is not plausible policy in CK2.

[garbon]

You really shouldn't get reputation hits for Tyrannical acts with the highest royal authority.  I mean you are already a tyrant. 

High crown authority is far from tyranny.  The administrative capacity and infrastucture didn't exist to have anything resembling an absolutist regime.  The negative hit from high Crown authority vs. the hit from particular acts are addressing two different things.  The first is the general suppression of traditional rights and the placement of "new men" in office; the second is for particular actions that violate cultural assumptions of justice and fairness.

I understand the distinction, but question it's validity in this period. Highly centralized states-the Macedonian Dynasty or the Ottoman Empire-got away with the latter very frequently.  The Ottoman policy of murdering your siblings is not plausible policy in CK2.

I mean in CK2, I think getting rid of one's male relatives is an imperative for muslim states. Killing them or imprisoning them.

[garbon]

I'm excited with that fix for pagan attrition / nerfing of norse coastal cb. Between the two, that means that things should be a little bit more reasonable with balance shifting to Christians by 12th century.

Hopefully it works that way.

[Queequeg]

I mean in CK2, I think getting rid of one's male relatives is an imperative for muslim states. Killing them or imprisoning them.

Don't Muslims get Kinslayer?

[Tamas]

I mean in CK2, I think getting rid of one's male relatives is an imperative for muslim states. Killing them or imprisoning them.

Don't Muslims get Kinslayer?

I don't think so.

Muslim strategy 101 in CK2 is to imprison all your brothers the moment you take the throne, because then you can execute them with no trouble.