Crusader Kings 2 Redux

[Queequeg]

Weren't there still assimilated Kumans (Kunsagok?) in central Hungary during the Ottoman period?  Or at least a separate Kuman identity.   

[Queequeg]

Apparently both Kumans and Ossetians until the Early Modern.  Damn, Tamas, you are some heterogeneous motherfuckers.

[Tamas]

Apparently both Kumans and Ossetians until the Early Modern.  Damn, Tamas, you are some heterogeneous motherfuckers.

yeah I just read today that even in the early 1700s they were some remaining small uppity Cuman communities.

But my original point was that what the Hungarians did in the game's time period (live somewhere for centuries then pack up and relocate) was by far the exception, and the last ones to actually carve out an independent nation in Europe via that.

[Valmy]

Weren't there still assimilated Kumans (Kunsagok?) in central Hungary during the Ottoman period?  Or at least a separate Kuman identity.   

I thought that was because of what happened when the Mongols rolled on through.  I know Bela Arpad married a Kuman to cement their alliance.

[Queequeg]

Apparently both Kumans and Ossetians until the Early Modern.  Damn, Tamas, you are some heterogeneous motherfuckers.

yeah I just read today that even in the early 1700s they were some remaining small uppity Cuman communities.

But my original point was that what the Hungarians did in the game's time period (live somewhere for centuries then pack up and relocate) was by far the exception, and the last ones to actually carve out an independent nation in Europe via that.

Turkey. 

[Queequeg]

There is a real debate in Ottoman history to the extent to which the Ottoman conquests in Europe can be seen as a continuation of the eon-old "barbarians pushed by more-barbarian barbarians in to civilized area."  The Ottomans had a much easier time conquering Christian areas than Muslim areas, and I think it counts.  That's not even including initial Seljuk conquest.

[Queequeg]

Weren't there still assimilated Kumans (Kunsagok?) in central Hungary during the Ottoman period?  Or at least a separate Kuman identity.   

I thought that was because of what happened when the Mongols rolled on through.  I know Bela Arpad married a Kuman to cement their alliance.

It was probably mixed.  The Cumans and Pechenegs were on the move anyway. 

[garbon]

Wessex starts off with too many demesne holdings (9 out of 2!) and given that they have agnatic primo, only way to get Alfred on throne (with amazing stats btw) is to make sure that Aethelred doesn't get married. Seems like at least the first bit should be fixed as it's kinda lame to have to partition everything out.

[Grallon]

I posted a petition thread in PI's forum - for them to produce an official Modding Manual at last - even if we have to pay for it.  Anyone involved in modding should go sign it now!



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[garbon]

It is odd how they keep adding mod commands and its like okay but I don't really want to spend the time deciphering your syntax.

[Grallon]

It is odd how they keep adding mod commands and its like okay but I don't really want to spend the time deciphering your syntax.

Do you make a living out of flippancy?  Or is this just a natural 'bent'?  Try focusing on the substance rather than the accessory for a change - it might even get you off the meds!



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[garbon]

It is odd how they keep adding mod commands and its like okay but I don't really want to spend the time deciphering your syntax.

Do you make a living out of flippancy?  Or is this just a natural 'bent'?  Try focusing on the substance rather than the accessory for a change - it might even get you off the meds!



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I was agreeing with you, asshole.

[Grallon]

I was agreeing with you, asshole.

An earnest response for a change!  There's hope yet.



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[Razgovory]

Took a look at this.  So where's the HRE?  Does it appear later on or what?

[garbon]

So not surprising but I think they are going to need to tone down the Norse. Scotland and England are mostly in Norse hands as is a good chunk of Baltics and Pommerania.