Crusader Kings 2 Redux

[garbon]

Broken on release?  A Paradox product?  Nah, couldn't be.

That meets your definition of broken?

[Caliga]

Don't mind me, I'm just being an anti-fanboi.

Also map sucks

[Syt]

Steam has CK2 with all previous DLC (expansions, portraits, music etc.) for 19.99

[garbon]

Steam has CK2 with all previous DLC (expansions, portraits, music etc.) for 19.99

That'd be a bitch if someone had bought it earlier this morning when it was still at 79.99 price.

[garbon]

What's the take on the Norse portraits? I think they look alright.

[Tamas]

The change to Gavelkind is a BIG DEAL.

It is much-much harder to optimize who will inherit what. And two Kingdom titles without Emperorship means asking for trouble.
I am having problems and troubles keeping my realm organized and in one piece bigger than ever since I learned how to play the game due to this. Very nice.

[Drakken]

I like how the Norse pagans play out. Very easy to expand when you get settled, but the shit hits the fan when the Heir takes up the throne and everyone wants either to get rid of him and/or their share of the pie. It's deceivingly easy to expand, but when your 6000 prestige king dies and the schmuck takes the crown and the situation gets quickly cutthroat.

Also, gavelkind is now very smart. Kingdoms and Dukedoms are now splitted first among the main heirs with their respective de jure duchies and counties attached to it, then the lone counties get evenly split.

[Tamas]

I like how the Norse pagans play out. Very easy to expand when you get settled, but the shit hits the fan when the Heir takes up the throne and everyone wants either to get rid of him and/or their share of the pie. It's deceivingly easy to expand, but when your 6000 prestige king dies and the schmuck takes the crown and the situation gets quickly cutthroat.

Also, gavelkind is now very smart. Kingdoms and Dukedoms are now splitted first among the main heits with their respective de jure counties attached to it, then the lone counties get evenly split.

yeah, my Hungary game was destroyed by the same thing. Glorious Arpad conquered Hungary, most of Bohemia and Croatia, plus Wallachia and Belgrade. Then his son took over, who only had to deal with one rebellion wanting to put his shaman cousin on the throne instead of him, which was fine, except that he died in his battle and his Possessed son took over and then all hell broke lose. Which was precisely what Catholic Poland wanted....


Speaking of faction rebellions. Did that get changed? One of the faction wars had a one-province count as leader so of course I went to his place and captured it. Barely moved the war counter!

[Maximus]

Speaking of faction rebellions. Did that get changed? One of the faction wars had a one-province count as leader so of course I went to his place and captured it. Barely moved the war counter!

I think that may have changed in the last patch.

[Drakken]

Speaking of faction rebellions. Did that get changed? One of the faction wars had a one-province count as leader so of course I went to his place and captured it. Barely moved the war counter!

Not that I know of. AI still takes only the number of troops as threshold for revolting, as far as I know. That said, warscore and prestige gains from battle have been upped a lot, making battles way more decisive.

I like the TPATT/CK2 system of factions way more, albeit still a bit too stable and passive for my taste.

[garbon]

Speaking of faction rebellions. Did that get changed? One of the faction wars had a one-province count as leader so of course I went to his place and captured it. Barely moved the war counter!

Like Max said, I think that changed in 1.09. To my mind, kinda makes civil wars more tedious as most of the time you're still in a position to win - just takes longer.

Sounds like the gavelkind change is really good then. Can't wait to get home.

[garbon]

Speaking of faction rebellions. Did that get changed? One of the faction wars had a one-province count as leader so of course I went to his place and captured it. Barely moved the war counter!

Not that I know of. AI still takes only the number of troops as threshold for revolting, as far as I know. That said, warscore and prestige gains from battle have been upped a lot, making battles way more decisive.

I like the TPATT/CK2 system of factions way more, albeit still a bit too stable and passive for my taste.

I think Tamas was referring to the fact that capturing the land of the faction leader no longer gives you the bulk of the required warscore. You now need to mop-up other participants in the battle as well.

[Grallon]

New DLC is installed but doesn't load - still starting in 1066.  Still the new tech system looks intriguing.  *sigh* I'll have to rework my building system again.



G.

[Queequeg]

I mean, there is no mechanic there in the first place. The Hungarian situation was kind of unique, wasn't it? We were just about the last European nation to do that kind of migration.

Turkey. 

[Queequeg]

Also, I think there's a real argument that the Vlachs were still migratory during much of this period.  And the various migratory peoples who eventually assimilated in to Hungarians, Vlachs, Slavs or Greeks.