Crusader Kings 2 Redux

[Viking]

Rebels with a Cause: Rebels are no longer a faceless menace – they are now led by characters with agendas.

William Wallace?

Does this mean that the world has finally accepted that Wallace was a scottish noble oppressing his peasants and that robert bruce was a norman noble oppressing his peasants?

[Valmy]

Does this mean that the world has finally accepted that Wallace was a scottish noble oppressing his peasants and that robert bruce was a norman noble oppressing his peasants?

Pretty sure Wallace was also a Norman.

[Viking]

Does this mean that the world has finally accepted that Wallace was a scottish noble oppressing his peasants and that robert bruce was a norman noble oppressing his peasants?

Pretty sure Wallace was also a Norman.

Well since Wallace might mean "The Welshman" he could be or marcher or proper welsh stock. It's just that we don't know and can only speculate. Bruce was of Norman stock, it is known.

[Queequeg]

Could Welshmen mean he was of Brythonic ancestry rather than Gaelic or Saxon?

[Viking]

Could Welshmen mean he was of Brythonic ancestry rather than Gaelic or Saxon?

It might mean as little as one of his ancestors spend a campaigning season being a mercenary in wales.

I can just imagine his great grandfather and his mates sitting round the campfire ribbing each other and the topic of sheepshagging comes up and wallaces great grandfather is referred to as the specialist on the issue him having spent a summer in wales and all that. Then some third party not in on the in joke asks why and is told that the ancestor was welsh, having been infected by welshness while down there.

Two months later he is the welshman. Small towns and all that.

[Phillip V]

CK2 + all DLC including the Republic for $10: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B7UK2I2

[Crazy_Ivan80]

As I said on p'dox forum, CK2 is mostly about the nobility.

Yeah, but given that the Khazars just evaporated after Kiev came through, even that nobility was not too firm in their culture.

Lots of nations evaporated when they go their asses kicked, especially Turkic Steppe ones.  I am not sure that is an indication of the flimsyness of their culture.

Part of my point is that they likely didn't have a Jewish culture (despite the one Muslim source that says they were all Jews).  Instead they have been given everything from firm Judaism to their religion being a sham, culturally everything from settled feudalists to nomads with a few cities by different people who often were just dreaming about what they wanted to see.

In that regards a startdate at 500AD would be interesting too, especially for the arab peninsula. There you have Persians duking it out with East-Romans, Ethiopians and local states. People deciding to align with either side and picking religions accordingly, with a lot of tribes going to judaism. And in the midst of all that certain nutcase coming along and ruining the region beyond repair with his silly religion.

[Barrister]

As I said on p'dox forum, CK2 is mostly about the nobility.

Yeah, but given that the Khazars just evaporated after Kiev came through, even that nobility was not too firm in their culture.

Lots of nations evaporated when they go their asses kicked, especially Turkic Steppe ones.  I am not sure that is an indication of the flimsyness of their culture.

Part of my point is that they likely didn't have a Jewish culture (despite the one Muslim source that says they were all Jews).  Instead they have been given everything from firm Judaism to their religion being a sham, culturally everything from settled feudalists to nomads with a few cities by different people who often were just dreaming about what they wanted to see.

In that regards a startdate at 500AD would be interesting too, especially for the arab peninsula. There you have Persians duking it out with East-Romans, Ethiopians and local states. People deciding to align with either side and picking religions accordingly, with a lot of tribes going to judaism. And in the midst of all that certain nutcase coming along and ruining the region beyond repair with his silly religion.

The rise of islam is so politically charged that if I were a game producer I wouldn't touch it with a 10' pole.

[Razgovory]

If you look at a fatmid dynasty character and follow his family tree you'll finally find the Muhammad (who has no picture).

[Admiral Yi]

Chickenshits! 

[Crazy_Ivan80]

As I said on p'dox forum, CK2 is mostly about the nobility.

Yeah, but given that the Khazars just evaporated after Kiev came through, even that nobility was not too firm in their culture.

Lots of nations evaporated when they go their asses kicked, especially Turkic Steppe ones.  I am not sure that is an indication of the flimsyness of their culture.

Part of my point is that they likely didn't have a Jewish culture (despite the one Muslim source that says they were all Jews).  Instead they have been given everything from firm Judaism to their religion being a sham, culturally everything from settled feudalists to nomads with a few cities by different people who often were just dreaming about what they wanted to see.

In that regards a startdate at 500AD would be interesting too, especially for the arab peninsula. There you have Persians duking it out with East-Romans, Ethiopians and local states. People deciding to align with either side and picking religions accordingly, with a lot of tribes going to judaism. And in the midst of all that certain nutcase coming along and ruining the region beyond repair with his silly religion.

The rise of islam is so politically charged that if I were a game producer I wouldn't touch it with a 10' pole.

at some point we'll have to stop pandering to the barbarians

[Viking]

at some point we'll have to stop pandering to the barbarians

No we won't. They may be as evil as nazis with obnoxious values and morals but they lack something the nazis had; an ability to be anything more than an annoyance. We can get on with ignoring them pandering when they get uppity all the while getting on with our lives just hoping they don't actually do anything that makes in necessary to do anything. As long as they rage against israel and the us we can pretty much ignore them.

We will keep pandering to them until (if at all) they manage to become competent enough to be a threat; but, it seems that to be come competent enough to be a threat they first need to abandon their iron age tribal values and join the modern world... at which point they will  have ceased being barbarians that need pandering.

[The Brain]

When we develop the will to use nuclear fire on our enemies then we will be free.

[Solmyr]

I'll settle for normal fire.

[Razgovory]

Could Welshmen mean he was of Brythonic ancestry rather than Gaelic or Saxon?

It might mean as little as one of his ancestors spend a campaigning season being a mercenary in wales.

I can just imagine his great grandfather and his mates sitting round the campfire ribbing each other and the topic of sheepshagging comes up and wallaces great grandfather is referred to as the specialist on the issue him having spent a summer in wales and all that. Then some third party not in on the in joke asks why and is told that the ancestor was welsh, having been infected by welshness while down there.

Two months later he is the welshman. Small towns and all that.

I think Wallace comes from the Germanic word for "foreigner" or "stranger".  It can be found in several place names like Wales, Walloon, and Wallachia.  It's probably no different the English last name, "strange".