Crusader Kings 2 Redux

[Valmy]

Archeological finds in Poland:

Marty would have been High Priest if that religion had only survived.

[Valmy]

Sorry folks, no Judaism this time around either. Khazaria will most likely be Tengri. The reason is that each previously unplayable religion is receiving special content. Adding one more, especially one that complex, is too much.

Paradox = Anti-Semitic

Really?  Tengri?  Meh I figured they would be Jewish but unplayable.

[Martinus]

I love the new starting date. It is before Poland was Christianized. Perhaps I could avert the greatest blight to ever foul Polish lands: Catholic church. 

So what sort of religion did the ancient Poles have?  Did they worship Baba Yaga or something?

It was a variation of a polytheistic Slavic pantheon. Perun, the god of thunder, was the equivalent of Zeus/Jupiter.

My personal favourite is Yarilo, Perun's son and god of fertility, youth, sex, spring and athletism, depicted as a young barefoot hunk. 

[garbon]

Sorry folks, no Judaism this time around either. Khazaria will most likely be Tengri. The reason is that each previously unplayable religion is receiving special content. Adding one more, especially one that complex, is too much.

Paradox = Anti-Semitic

Though words seems to be that they aren't doing it because they don't want to appear to be anti-semitic. (see jordarkelf's posts).  Odd though as I don't see why ghettos and pogroms would be necessary to portray. P'dox had no problem with black slaves in EU2.

[PDH]

The Khazars not being Jewish is fine.  Rather than the entire population being Jewish, it seems more likely it was the nobility that converted to keep the traditional wedge between the Byzantine Empire and the Caliphate.

[garbon]

As I said on p'dox forum, CK2 is mostly about the nobility.

[garbon]

Hmmm...

the problem with judaism(in this game) is that the jews where not a majority.The Khazarian leaders,converted to judaism for political purposes,and that s about it.

I sincerley don t understand the obsession of some with the jews.I mean,they where extremley unimportant and above all hated trouought the entire Euro African world !!!They didn t do anything signifiant ,they didn t have a real impact on the Medieval World,they were mostly mere money landers,traders etc.

And if the jews are going to be implemented in game,why shoulden t the Indian Empire be implemented as well?or the Chinese?The were equally unimportant regarding Medieval Euro-Africa.(ok,maybe the chinese were a bit more important nvm)

In conclusion,please stop with this obsession,and try to enjoy the game as it is,a wonderful game !

[PDH]

As I said on p'dox forum, CK2 is mostly about the nobility.

Yeah, but given that the Khazars just evaporated after Kiev came through, even that nobility was not too firm in their culture.

[Valmy]

The Khazars not being Jewish is fine.  Rather than the entire population being Jewish, it seems more likely it was the nobility that converted to keep the traditional wedge between the Byzantine Empire and the Caliphate.

Um this is CK2.  The nobility are the only ones who matter.

[PDH]

The Khazars not being Jewish is fine.  Rather than the entire population being Jewish, it seems more likely it was the nobility that converted to keep the traditional wedge between the Byzantine Empire and the Caliphate.

Um this is CK2.  The nobility are the only ones who matter.

As I said, I don't care really.  What is more important is if the Khazars are going to be settled, nomads, a mix.  Given how few sources there really are about them, and how wildly they have been played up by people with agendas, it is mostly fiction anyway.

[garbon]

As I said on p'dox forum, CK2 is mostly about the nobility.

Yeah, but given that the Khazars just evaporated after Kiev came through, even that nobility was not too firm in their culture.

So you should only be represented in game if you are firm on your culture? Again, similar to the argument on p'dox on Nestorian mongols (which are represented). Seems a similar case though Nestorian makes it in as it is just represented as a labeling change on Christian religion.

[Valmy]

As I said on p'dox forum, CK2 is mostly about the nobility.

Yeah, but given that the Khazars just evaporated after Kiev came through, even that nobility was not too firm in their culture.

Lots of nations evaporated when they go their asses kicked, especially Turkic Steppe ones.  I am not sure that is an indication of the flimsyness of their culture.

[Tamas]

The Khazars not being Jewish is fine.  Rather than the entire population being Jewish, it seems more likely it was the nobility that converted to keep the traditional wedge between the Byzantine Empire and the Caliphate.

Um this is CK2.  The nobility are the only ones who matter.

um, this is CK2. The provinces have cultures.

[PDH]

As I said on p'dox forum, CK2 is mostly about the nobility.

Yeah, but given that the Khazars just evaporated after Kiev came through, even that nobility was not too firm in their culture.

So you should only be represented in game if you are firm on your culture? Again, similar to the argument on p'dox on Nestorian mongols (which are represented). Seems a similar case though Nestorian makes it in as it is just represented as a labeling change on Christian religion.

Not really my point, as expanded on in the reply to Valmy.  So much about the Khazars is conjecture (and conjecture often made based on agendas), that an accurate portrayal is not too bloody likely anyway.  The Khazars in the mid-9th century as a 'third wheel' between the Caliphate and the Byzantines is what is needed.

[garbon]

Different note but England should be fun, no HRE and Byzantine toe-holds in Italy!