Crusader Kings 2 Redux

[Razgovory]

Is the new expansion going to add some naval combat?

[Martinus]

No.

[Razgovory]

No.

That is a shame.  I mean, there were naval battles at the time.  Not many, but then there weren't a lot of pitched battles either.  Medieval commanders tried to avoid major battles if at all possible.

[Martinus]

No.

That is a shame.  I mean, there were naval battles at the time.  Not many, but then there weren't a lot of pitched battles either.  Medieval commanders tried to avoid major battles if at all possible.

Don't agree, really. While naval battles happened, they weren't anything decisive or epic. On the other hand, land battles of the era went into history and decided the fate of wars (Agincourt, Crecy, Grunwald, Hattin etc.). So arguing that they were comparably rare and important is pretty retarded.

[Razgovory]

I guess this means you don't know much about them.

[Tamas]

Initial impressions:

While there is no stuff like trading goods or anything, the DLC does create an entire sub-layer of happenings beside the usual ones. This is highly promising. Too bad there is no inheritance among priests, the Catholic church would serve well for a similar sub-layer.

Money of course starts flowing heavily once you are established, however, not only they have stupid events robbing you of money, you need to keep expanding to not lose out to rivals. You can't do nada without mercs (in the early game at least). Plus other expenses, so it isn't nearly as bad as I feared (initially, at least).

Also, this needs some getting used to. You need to expand, while you need to keep vassals down, you need to keep plotters away from your trade posts or plot to gain some yourself. All of this is as I said a separate layer, sort of like "under" the normal map. I was genuinly confused for a while before I got the hang of it. Plus there are other stuff. Like fucking Doge of Pisa just had me excommunicated. And since I have a trade post in Popeland, Il Papa immediately declared an embargo war on me and marched with circa 8k troops to burn it down.

[Phillip V]

Cool. Which DLC is next?

[Tamas]

And despite all that I may only give one more try to republics under this patch. I mean, maybe I just did the easiest start, but as the Dorias I just completely dominated the Genoa scene. I had to put some money in advance of some of the elections to get the lead, but I had money.

The biggest threat I see right now is ending up with a lot of tradeposts in a single blob, which will proceed to rape you to loot them.

[garbon]

I'm still with the rest of the whiny P'dox kids who can't access this because it isn't available on steam yet (except for workarounds via purchases from other vendors).  Good though as it is nearing 11PM and I should be in bed.

[garbon]

Btw, I'll give p'dox credit that Regina is putting up a good PR face in that thread.

[Agelastus]

No.

That is a shame.  I mean, there were naval battles at the time.  Not many, but then there weren't a lot of pitched battles either.  Medieval commanders tried to avoid major battles if at all possible.

Don't agree, really. While naval battles happened, they weren't anything decisive or epic. On the other hand, land battles of the era went into history and decided the fate of wars (Agincourt, Crecy, Grunwald, Hattin etc.). So arguing that they were comparably rare and important is pretty retarded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sluys

[Razgovory]

Yeah, he's just ignorant.  I just accepted it, and moved on.  Same thing last week when I had to inform him that 1.2 million people died in Poland during WWI.

[Admiral Yi]

Sluys is the exception that proves the rule.  I can't think of another important naval engagement in the period.  And Sluys was more in the way of a port raid that a stand up naval fight.

[Razgovory]

Sluys is the exception that proves the rule.  I can't think of another important naval engagement in the period.  And Sluys was more in the way of a port raid that a stand up naval fight.

The Italian city states fought a bunch of naval battles with each other, against the Greeks and against Sicily.

[Valmy]

The Italian city states fought a bunch of naval battles with each other, against the Greeks and against Sicily.

Yeah Venice and the Italian navies was the only need for it but it creates a problem because if you model it just for that then you make naval affairs important everywhere and they just weren't.