Crusader Kings 2 Redux

[Faeelin]

Have they got around to announcing their next DLCs yet?

[Faeelin]

Also, is it just me or is it never worth putting another family member in a duchy? They just become a pretender who rises up when your character dies.

[Tamas]

Also, is it just me or is it never worth putting another family member in a duchy? They just become a pretender who rises up when your character dies.

correct.

it is less clear when ruling a huge-ass muslim realm, but a given for christians. the prestige penalty for unlanded sons is totally laughable compared to the troubles you end up facing if giving land to future pretenders

[Martinus]

I thought that marrying off my extra sons to distant duchessess of foreign realms was a good idea to get rid of the unlanded sons bonus with no malus of them starting a succession war... until I got DoWed (as England) by my apparent nephew, the Holy Roman Emperor, with a claim on the English crown. 

[Martinus]

Incidentally, not giving land to your spare sons is not a surefire way to prevent them from raising a rebellion - in most of my games, they seem to flee the court to my powerful vassals as soon as the dad croaks, and start a rebellion from there. 

[Martinus]

Btw, which succession laws do you guys normally run?

I used to think that Primogeniture is the best but it's a surefire way for a succession crisis every generation. Gavelkind, on the other way makes you lose the provinces you took time to develop during your reign. Has anyone tried Seniority?

[garbon]

Seniority is the worst as you perpetually have to deal with the short reign bonus.

Typically, I stay with gavelkind and just make sure to have one core duchy for my heir every time. When rowdy, sometimes I switch to elective.

[Viking]

Primogeneture - I sort of need those civil wars each generation to make sure that each king has a full set of dukes and counts that got their titles from the king and therefore are very loyal. If the dukes don't revolt every other generation then they build up superdutchies. On average medieval families ran out of male line heirs every three generations, each time that happens to a duke you get a superdutchy.

[Martinus]

Primogeneture - I sort of need those civil wars each generation to make sure that each king has a full set of dukes and counts that got their titles from the king and therefore are very loyal. If the dukes don't revolt every other generation then they build up superdutchies. On average medieval families ran out of male line heirs every three generations, each time that happens to a duke you get a superdutchy.

How do you get all the counties and duchies from the rebellious Dukes? I think you can only revoke one title from traitors - everything else carries a relationship penalty for the entire realm.

[jimmy olsen]

Seniority is the worst as you perpetually have to deal with the short reign bonus.

Typically, I stay with gavelkind and just make sure to have one core duchy for my heir every time. When rowdy, sometimes I switch to elective.

You don't see many rebellions though, at least in my experience.

[Octavian]

Are you guys using any mods?

[Viking]

Primogeneture - I sort of need those civil wars each generation to make sure that each king has a full set of dukes and counts that got their titles from the king and therefore are very loyal. If the dukes don't revolt every other generation then they build up superdutchies. On average medieval families ran out of male line heirs every three generations, each time that happens to a duke you get a superdutchy.

How do you get all the counties and duchies from the rebellious Dukes? I think you can only revoke one title from traitors - everything else carries a relationship penalty for the entire realm.

I just revoke the duchy title and give it to on of the rebellious dukes counts. When you are established just release the traitor, then revoke a title. They will refuse and revolt causing you no harm. You'll be fighting one duke and you can revoke any all titles over time. I once released one super duchess 8 times revoking titles again and again until the duchess finally acquiesced.

[Martinus]

Primogeneture - I sort of need those civil wars each generation to make sure that each king has a full set of dukes and counts that got their titles from the king and therefore are very loyal. If the dukes don't revolt every other generation then they build up superdutchies. On average medieval families ran out of male line heirs every three generations, each time that happens to a duke you get a superdutchy.

How do you get all the counties and duchies from the rebellious Dukes? I think you can only revoke one title from traitors - everything else carries a relationship penalty for the entire realm.

I just revoke the duchy title and give it to on of the rebellious dukes counts. When you are established just release the traitor, then revoke a title. They will refuse and revolt causing you no harm. You'll be fighting one duke and you can revoke any all titles over time. I once released one super duchess 8 times revoking titles again and again until the duchess finally acquiesced.

I think they won't revolt when they have a truce with you so you need to wait 10 years between each revocation? Or am I wrong?

[Viking]

Primogeneture - I sort of need those civil wars each generation to make sure that each king has a full set of dukes and counts that got their titles from the king and therefore are very loyal. If the dukes don't revolt every other generation then they build up superdutchies. On average medieval families ran out of male line heirs every three generations, each time that happens to a duke you get a superdutchy.

How do you get all the counties and duchies from the rebellious Dukes? I think you can only revoke one title from traitors - everything else carries a relationship penalty for the entire realm.

I just revoke the duchy title and give it to on of the rebellious dukes counts. When you are established just release the traitor, then revoke a title. They will refuse and revolt causing you no harm. You'll be fighting one duke and you can revoke any all titles over time. I once released one super duchess 8 times revoking titles again and again until the duchess finally acquiesced.

I think they won't revolt when they have a truce with you so you need to wait 10 years between each revocation? Or am I wrong?

nope.. they revolt when you revoke their titles regardless of truce status.

[garbon]

Are you guys using any mods?

Nope. Well I used the GoT one once but it kinda felt a little dull after Robert's Rebellion. Haven't tried any of the other mods as there seem to be so many of them and I haven't felt that I wanted to take the time to figure out what each does.