Crusader Kings 2 Redux

[The Minsky Moment]

Apparently powerful English monarchs calling themselves emperor a century before and a century after the period are not signs of any continuous thoughts.

In this particular case, they aren't.

Athelstan adopted the styling of imperial title after the Carolingians went defunct but it did not signify any fundamental constitutional change nor as pointed out any recognition of that status by other sovereigns; he might as well have insisted everyone call him "grand-high poobah" (and who knows maybe one the more eccentric Anglo-Saxons did).

The line from the Henry VIII era comes from the key legislative act severing the link with Rome, and thus represented a very significant break with the past, not continuity.

[Fireblade]

It'd be nice if there were some sort of mechanism to vassalize a king, if you're a king yourself. i.e. The English being overlords of the Scots for, well, most of the time period, the King of Aragon over the King of Mallorca, etc.

[jimmy olsen]

I think all the english kings between the harrowing of the north and bannockburn considered themselves overlords of scotland.

Æthelstan of Northumbria styled himself totius rex Brittanniae

I know it was a title tossed around during Anglo-Saxon days but that is pre this era.

And while there was some assertion that the Scottish King was a vassal of the English King but they were pretty flexible with that.  Plenty of times they negotiated with the Scottish King as an equal and even when they didn't they usually did not do anything to get the Scots pissed off.  And Edward I's plot and Edward II blowing it was an aberration, a dramatic shift for the worse, in Anglo-Scot relations not something typical of what happened from the Harrowing to Bannockburn.

So it is sort of like the Holy Roman Emperor sorta kinda claiming overlordship of all of Catholicism.  Yes he did claim that, technically, but he still does not get de jure rights over all of Catholic Europe.

All hail Imperator totius Hispaniae!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperator_totius_Hispaniae

EDIT: Crap, beaten like Roz

[Habbaku]

EDIT: Crap, beaten like Roz

Ouch.

[Josquius]

Hey...where'd my reply go...I said;
it sucks the way CK2 keeps things in a strict straight jacket only with the extra layers of emperors and barons thrown in.
It really should be possible for a king to vassalise a king.
Hell, its feasable to imagine a powerful enough count managing to lay the smackdown on a weakened Byzantium but not having any right to the title himself instead installing a puppet.

[Valmy]

Hey...where'd my reply go...I said;
it sucks the way CK2 keeps things in a strict straight jacket only with the extra layers of emperors and barons thrown in.
It really should be possible for a king to vassalise a king.
Hell, its feasable to imagine a powerful enough count managing to lay the smackdown on a weakened Byzantium but not having any right to the title himself instead installing a puppet.

Necessary for gameplay.

In the real Middle Ages the rules were just sorta conventions...but to have a game you need rules.

[Valmy]

All hail Imperator totius Hispaniae!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperator_totius_Hispaniae

EDIT: Crap, beaten like Roz

xinfinity

[Faeelin]

Necessary for gameplay.

In the real Middle Ages the rules were just sorta conventions...but to have a game you need rules.

Some sort of title for kings of kings. Perhaps for a powerful player whose predecessors called themselves the Baseiloi of Britain.  Hrm. What would it be?

[Valmy]

Some sort of title for kings of kings. Perhaps for a powerful player whose predecessors called themselves the Baseiloi of Britain.  Hrm. What would it be?

If a player is so powerful he should be able to do what Edward I tried to do and get the Scottish crown himself.

Maybe there should an Emperor of Ireland to since all those guys had Kings as vassals.

[sbr]

To what?

[Martinus]

Check out the last dev diary for Sword of Islam. The decadence mechanics for muslims looks cool and I really like the strong and weak claims.

[Tamas]

Check out the last dev diary for Sword of Islam. The decadence mechanics for muslims looks cool and I really like the strong and weak claims.

Yes, it appears Muslims will be sufficiently unique, and the general 1.06 improvements also look great.

I am almost ready to declare this the best Paradox game ever.

[katmai]

Tamas taint.

[Octavian]

Check out the last dev diary for Sword of Islam. The decadence mechanics for muslims looks cool and I really like the strong and weak claims.

Yes, it appears Muslims will be sufficiently unique, and the general 1.06 improvements also look great.

I am almost ready to declare this the best Paradox game ever.

Well I think it is.

The map look great. Hardly any crashes and fun gameplay out of the box.

What other Paradox game can say the same?

[Ancient Demon]

I am almost ready to declare this the best Paradox game ever.

Better than EU 3? Let's not get carried away.