Crusader Kings 2 Redux

[Valmy]

Even though it's a Paradox game and will be riddled with errors in its first inception I can't wait for this one!

Well the first one is STILL riddled with errors and it is one of my favorite games so I am right there with you.

Paradox better not fuck this one up.

[szmik]

Paradox better not fuck this one up.

don't kid yourself

[Darth Wagtaros]

I enjoy Ck despite its many, many problems.  I'll buy it.

[szmik]

I enjoy Ck despite its many, many problems.  I'll buy it.

As much as I like CK, if CK2 is more like Sengoku I'm not going to buy it.

[Valmy]

don't kid yourself

Hey they only have to create a product that works less bad than CK.  I mean how hard could that be?

[Darth Wagtaros]

I enjoy Ck despite its many, many problems.  I'll buy it.

As much as I like CK, if CK2 is more like Sengoku I'm not going to buy it.

Never touched it, didn't know it was Paradox until I saw the thread here, I saw it listed on Steam and was tempted, but it looked like a Shogun Total War ripoff.

[garbon]

don't kid yourself

Hey they only have to create a product that works less bad than CK.  I mean how hard could that be?

Hard for them as they want to (understandably) increase sales and think that means that they must add new bells and whistles.

Adding in plots does seem a backwards step if they are as exciting as the one's in Sengoku.

[szmik]

Adding in plots does seem a backwards step if they are as exciting as the one's in Sengoku.

I like the idea of plots, but they just don't work in Sengoku. I managed to get an ally for plot once, but he soon quit. More like MP feature.

[Kleves]

Paradox: "If it's broken, add complexity."

[garbon]

Adding in plots does seem a backwards step if they are as exciting as the one's in Sengoku.

I like the idea of plots, but they just don't work in Sengoku. I managed to get an ally for plot once, but he soon quit. More like MP feature.

That's what I mean - not that the idea is bad (could have been great for an rp aspect), but that they seem poorly implemented.

[dps]

Adding in plots does seem a backwards step if they are as exciting as the one's in Sengoku.

I like the idea of plots, but they just don't work in Sengoku. I managed to get an ally for plot once, but he soon quit. More like MP feature.

That's what I mean - not that the idea is bad (could have been great for an rp aspect), but that they seem poorly implemented.

And people trust Paradox to implement the idea well?  Paradox can't even implement producing an accurate map right anymore.

[garbon]

And people trust Paradox to implement the idea well?  Paradox can't even implement producing an accurate map right anymore.

Anymore? When was that ever the case? Maybe EU2 when we found out that Long Island is actually a peninsular part of New Jersey?

[dps]

I was being generous.

[Josquius]

I enjoy Ck despite its many, many problems.  I'll buy it.

As much as I like CK, if CK2 is more like Sengoku I'm not going to buy it.

Indeed.
I too think CK1 was a great game despite its flaws.
Sengoku though....it just wasn't CK in Japan. It was....some silly conquer em up.

[Drakken]

I enjoy Ck despite its many, many problems.  I'll buy it.

As much as I like CK, if CK2 is more like Sengoku I'm not going to buy it.

Indeed.
I too think CK1 was a great game despite its flaws.
Sengoku though....it just wasn't CK in Japan. It was....some silly conquer em up.

No said it was supposed to be CK1 in Japan. 

I like this game. I take Sengoku for what it was stated it was : a winner-takes-all board game with roleplay elements, not a daimyo simulator.