Hungarian Politics

[Tamas]

Belgian prosecutors' office released a statement. Szajer (well, "J.Sz." but that's not hard to deduce) was only caught after a civilian alerted the police busting the "party" that they saw somebody climbing down the gutters. 

He was injured on his hand (probably by the gutter). Also, the only drug finding was in gutter-guy's backpack. He had no papers on him so the police escorted him home where was able to identify himself.

[Tamas]

Ah, also, for more context, the first version of the new constitution introduced by Fidesz in 2011 (I say first version because plenty of it has been updated since based on what was in Fidesz' interest in any given week), was largely written by Szajer, so even if sidelined now, he used to be a pretty big deal.

He was one of those Fidesz core people who achieved their prominence in the party and the country largely independent of Orban's grace, therefore they had to accept exile or at least sidelining.

[Tamas]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9005991/Police-raid-lockdown-orgy-diplomats-MEP-Brussels.html

[garbon]

It's like a law of politics that if a party makes "traditional values" a bit part of their pitch their will be an absolute shedload of sex scandals

[The Larch]

So apparently a Polish website has interviewed the organizer of the orgy, and he has some salacious things to say about the regular attendants:

The orgy organizer speaks again.

"Politicians from Ukraine, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Switzerland & Spain come for orgies." However, the most frequent guests are Poles and Hungarians.
(...)
According to Manzheley, 9 politicians from Orban's Fidesz have participated in  orgies. He also said that 4 members of Poland's PiS attend 2-3 times per year "for specific orgies". According to him, they are not MEPs, but functionaries like MPs or hold government positions.
(...)
Q: Is the topic of their groups known for attacking the LGBT community sometimes raised in conversations with Polish and Hungarian politicians? A: Sometimes yes. They're just saying that to hold their positions, they have to pretend to agree with their leaders. That is why they prefer to come abroad to play. If it were to emerge in their countries, it would mean the end of their careers. Due to the rules of their societies, they cannot speak openly about their homosexuality, Manzheley says," acc to the article.

How reliable this is, I have no idea.

[celedhring]

Man, I SO want to know who the Spanish attendees are. Does it make me a bad person? 

[Sheilbh]

Man, I SO want to know who the Spanish attendees are. Does it make me a bad person? 

No

Incidentally I always think the Tatchell rule on outing is right so if these people are using their positions to harm LGBT people, I'd have no issue with publications outing them.

[The Larch]

In some other interview the orgy organizer blamed other orgy organizers in Brussels for ratting them to the police. I never imagined that orgy organizing was such a cut-throat line of work.  I wonder if these orgies are divided by party/ideological lines or cross-group affaires. 

[Sheilbh]

In some other interview the orgy organizer blamed other orgy organizers in Brussels for ratting them to the police. I never imagined that orgy organizing was such a cut-throat line of work.  I wonder if these orgies are divided by party/ideological lines or cross-group affaires. 

So this isn't about MPs but sort of party workers - but from what I understand the Tories and Labour both have a disproportionate number of young gay men working for them. I imagine any orgies would be on ideological lines given the famous Labour t-shirt, "Never Kissed A Tory"

But Westminster is full of young gay men working for MPs, lobbyists or parties etc. It's quite a gay eco-system (and one that is definitely open to abuse). It doesn't surprise that Brussels is the same, I wouldn't be surprised if it was also true anywhere else.

[Sheilbh]

In some other interview the orgy organizer blamed other orgy organizers in Brussels for ratting them to the police. I never imagined that orgy organizing was such a cut-throat line of work.  I wonder if these orgies are divided by party/ideological lines or cross-group affaires. 

So an FT Eastern European reporter has tweeted about this guy's interview with a Polish news site - when I tried to view it it appears to require you to state that you're over 18

Valerie Hopkins
@VALERIEin140
8h
The orgy organizer speaks again.
"Politicians from Ukraine, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Switzerland & Spain come for orgies." However, the most frequent guests are Poles and Hungarians
According to Manzheley, 9 politicians from Orban's Fidesz have participated in  orgies. He also said that 4 members of Poland's PiS attend 2-3 times per year "for specific orgies". According to him, they are not not MEPs, but functionaries like MPs or hold government positions.
Q: Is the topic of their groups known for attacking the LGBT community sometimes raised in conversations with Polish and Hungarian politicians? A: Sometimes yes. They're just saying that to hold their positions, they have to pretend to agree with their leaders...
..."That is why they prefer to come abroad to play. If it were to emerge in their countries, it would mean the end of their careers. Due to the rules of their societies, they cannot speak openly about their homosexuality, Manzheley says," acc to the article.
I should say that of course it's very difficult to verify these claims.

"Specific orgies"

Also it just reminds me of various wealth Gulf Arabs coming to London (and, I imagine, other European cities) for crazy parties - especially the gay ones.

[The Larch]

That's the interview I mentioned in my first post on this. 

[Sheilbh]

That's the interview I mentioned in my first post on this. 

Soz.

[The Brain]

I assume these orgies are staffed by prostitutes?

[Sheilbh]

One for Tamas

[Tamas]