Hungarian Politics

[Tamas]

So what kind of health troubles that gargantuan belly could indicate?

[Barrister]

Elaborez s'il vous plait.

I think an advatnage of NATO is that unless you leave, then during a crisis there isn't an out. You are locked on a path that is ultimately determined by the country that is under attack/wanting to activate Article 5.

With an expulsion mechanism there is a turning you can take and it stops being simply a question of whether each country remains committed to NATO and would respond. There's an additional layer of how does the rest of NATO feel about that country?

For example, right now, if there was an expulsion mechanism (and obviously loads of other context and specifics) - but if Turkey were attacked I'm not sure that there wouldn't be a push to just expel them. I think it could undermine the credibility of NATO across NATO and actually, possibly, introduce an element of risk in (for want of a better phrase) the NATO periphery.

Obviously countries are free and sovereign and can leave any time, but I think NATO is safer and more credible if it doesn't have an ejector seat that everyone else can pull.

But notwithstanding NATO and Article 5 there's nothing that actually compels a member country to activate their military...

[Sheilbh]

Tweeted by Orban today:
A good Hungarian is an asexual Hungarian! 

Yeah I did not have Orban coming out in favour of gender anarchism - but here we are

But notwithstanding NATO and Article 5 there's nothing that actually compels a member country to activate their military...

Yeah - I think that's always definitely in the balance from NATO's opponents and the reality is you can't really compel any state to actually do anything. And ultimately what we actually mean is what will America do.

But we're seeing Hungary's normal game play out now. When Turkey was threatening a veto Hungary was saying also going to try and extract for their support. Now Hungary's position is that they will approve Finland but are holding out on Sweden (announced about a week after Turkey having gained nothing).

There are real problems and issues with Orban - I think his domestic policy and the way he's inspiring sections of the American right. On the international stage, he's just the guy with a big mouth who stands behind the bully. 11 EU sanctions packages - not one veto; now on NATO, just mirroring Turkey and hoping people will take him seriously enough to give him some concessions.

[Josquius]

Hungary actively wants a declining birth rate?

[Duque de Bragança]

Strange, a calvinist such as Orban should agree with the protty puritanic Anglos triggered by the word sex, so much they replaced it by gender (best used for grammar IMO).

 

[Tamas]

He might be calvinist but he much prefers attending Catholic services, there's more pomp, I am guessing.

[Duque de Bragança]

He was raised as a Catholic but converted to Calvinism.

I guess he is hedging his bets. 

[HVC]

He was raised as a Catholic but converted to Calvinism.

I guess he is hedging his bets. 

Man, he checks off all the bad boxes

[Sheilbh]

Yeah - I mean imagine choosing Calvinism (I suppose from a Calvinist perspective, you don't...)

[Duque de Bragança]

He was raised as a Catholic but converted to Calvinism.

I guess he is hedging his bets. 

Man, he checks off all the bad boxes

Sayeth the one descending from crypto-Moor/Jewish converts. 

[HVC]

He was raised as a Catholic but converted to Calvinism.

I guess he is hedging his bets. 

Man, he checks off all the bad boxes

Sayeth the one descending from crypto-Moor/Jewish converts. 

Pfft, they got beat into Catholicism long ago ain't no proties in my lineage... maybe some commies

[Admiral Yi]

Yeah - I mean imagine choosing Calvinism (I suppose from a Calvinist perspective, you don't...)

 

[Legbiter]

Yeah - I mean imagine choosing Calvinism (I suppose from a Calvinist perspective, you don't...)

[Tamas]

My father's family was Calvinist so careful :p

My mother's was Catholic though.

[Admiral Yi]

Were Hussites Calvinists?  I thought they were pre-Calvin.