The Great Union-Busting Thread

[Razgovory]

Walker needs to learn to STFU.  President Obama doesn't offer jobs with any conditions to "federal employees" except political appointees, and Walker's a moron to try to draw this comparison.

I also note that walker continues to pretend that we won't notice that he is lying when he says what he believes about the necessity to get rid of the police and firefighters' unions.

This is not even a coherent statement. 

I thought you were out killing people.

[Neil]

Is Wisconsin not in the US anymore?

Federal judges have no jurisdiction on whether or not actions violate state laws.  They only have jurisdiction on issues involving federal laws, or questions arising under the US Constitution.

Yeah, but any judge in the US is a US judge.

[Admiral Yi]

Yeah, but any judge in the US is a US judge.

As any judge living in Ontario is an Ontario judge.

[Neil]

Yeah, but any judge in the US is a US judge.

As any judge living in Ontario is an Ontario judge.

But also a Canadian judge.

[dps]

Is Wisconsin not in the US anymore?

Federal judges have no jurisdiction on whether or not actions violate state laws.  They only have jurisdiction on issues involving federal laws, or questions arising under the US Constitution.

Yeah, but any judge in the US is a US judge.

??

[jimmy olsen]

 I'll say this for Republicans, they always go for the kill. They inevitably overreach like this, but at least they try to enact the entirety of their agenda. The Dems barely even try.

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/03/23/buried-provision-food-stamps/

Buried Provision In House GOP Bill Would Cut Off Food Stamps To Entire Families If One Member Strikes

All around the country, right-wing legislators are asking middle class Americans to pay for budget deficits caused mainly by a recession caused by Wall Street; they are attacking workers' collective bargaining rights, which has provoked a huge Main Street Movement to fight back.

Now, a group of House Republicans is launching a new stealth attack against union workers. GOP Reps. Jim Jordan (OH), Tim Scott (SC), Scott Garrett (NJ), Dan Burton (IN), and Louie Gohmert (TX) have introduced H.R. 1135, which states that it is designed to "provide information on total spending on means-tested welfare programs, to provide additional work requirements, and to provide an overall spending limit on means-tested welfare programs."

Much of the bill is based upon verifying that those who receive food stamps benefits are meeting the federal requirements for doing so. However, one section buried deep within the bill adds a startling new requirement. The bill, if passed, would actually cut off all food stamp benefits to any family where one adult member is engaging in a strike against an employer:



The bill also includes a provision that would exempt households from losing eligibility, "if the household was eligible immediately prior to such strike, however, such family unit shall not receive an increased allotment as the result of a decrease in the income of the striking member or members of the household."

Yet removing entire families from eligibility while a single adult family member is striking would have a chilling effect on workers who are considering going on strike for better wages, benefits, or working conditions — something that is especially alarming in light of the fact that unions are one of the fundamental building blocks of the middle class that allow people to earn wages that keep them off food stamps.

With a record 42 million Americans on food stamps during these poor economic times, it appears that the right is simply looking for more ways to hurt working class Americans.

[dps]

That's just wrong.  I think everybody knows that I'm generally anti-union, but if the household is already eligible for food stamps, they shouldn't loose them just because someone in the house goes out on strike.  OTOH, if a household isn't already eligible, I don't think that they should become eligible if someone goes on strike.

[Admiral Yi]

That's just wrong.  I think everybody knows that I'm generally anti-union, but if the household is already eligible for food stamps, they shouldn't loose them just because someone in the house goes out on strike.  OTOH, if a household isn't already eligible, I don't think that they should become eligible if someone goes on strike.

The bill also includes a provision that would exempt households from losing eligibility, "if the household was eligible immediately prior to such strike, however, such family unit shall not receive an increased allotment as the result of a decrease in the income of the striking member or members of the household."

[CountDeMoney]

Partially fucked over instead of completely fucked over;  that's good enough for Yi.

[Admiral Yi]

Partially fucked over instead of completely fucked over;  that's good enough for Yi.

The slogans you copy verbatim from Mother Jones work better than you ones you come up with yourself.

[Habbaku]

it appears that the right is simply looking for more ways to hurt working class Americans.

  What an absurd statement.

[derspiess]

I'll say this for Republicans, they always go for the kill. They inevitably overreach like this, but at least they try to enact the entirety of their agenda.

Always??  Up until this year the GOP way has been to half-ass their agenda, dropping the better parts of it while adding enough spending to appease the Dems.

The Dems barely even try.

Right, like when they used every trick, loophole, etc. to pass Obamacare?

[jimmy olsen]

I'll say this for Republicans, they always go for the kill. They inevitably overreach like this, but at least they try to enact the entirety of their agenda.

Always??  Up until this year the GOP way has been to half-ass their agenda, dropping the better parts of it while adding enough spending to appease the Dems.

The Dems barely even try.

Right, like when they used every trick, loophole, etc. to pass Obamacare?

The Democratic base wanted at least a public option, if not single payer. Obamacare is the '94  GOP proposal.

[dps]

That's just wrong.  I think everybody knows that I'm generally anti-union, but if the household is already eligible for food stamps, they shouldn't loose them just because someone in the house goes out on strike.  OTOH, if a household isn't already eligible, I don't think that they should become eligible if someone goes on strike.

Ooops.

The bill also includes a provision that would exempt households from losing eligibility, “if the household was eligible immediately prior to such strike, however, such family unit shall not receive an increased allotment as the result of a decrease in the income of the striking member or members of the household.”

[CountDeMoney]

Partially fucked over instead of completely fucked over;  that's good enough for Yi.

The slogans you copy verbatim from Mother Jones work better than you ones you come up with yourself.

Stop hating middle class America.  You don't make enough.