TV/Movies Megathread

[The Larch]

Yeah, I think they'll just have Atreides battle Bautista's character instead.

I wasn't sure about the characters but had to look this up when I got home to check if Bautista and Sting had both played the same character

Batista's character (Beast Rabban) is played by a weird ginger guy in the Lynch version.



Is that character and Feyd Rautha meant to be cousins? Brothers? They're both nephews of the Baron, in any case.

[Josquius]

For some reason I remembered it being Bowie in the Lynch version.
Sting is considerably less cool.

[celedhring]

Sting was one of the best worst parts of the Lynch version.

[Sheilbh]

Yes - him emerging from a steam bath in eagle shaped underwear is a moment

It's the best worst parts that make me have a lot of time for the Lynch version. It fails, but it fails in really interesting ways.

Though I understand he was offered Dune or Return of the Jedi and I would love to see his take on Return of the Jedi.

[The Larch]

Yes - him emerging from a steam bath in eagle shaped underwear is a moment

With the weird shoulder shimmy. 

[Syt]

Does the new Dune movie at least have a Pug, like the Lynch movie? If not, what's the point?

[The Brain]

The Lynch Dune is great. You just have to resist the urge to shout "-Jawohl, Herr Kaleun!" in the theater. Haters gonna hate.

[FunkMonk]

In Dune 2021 the head witch nun mentioned to Jessica that they had other alternatives so I guess Feyd is included in that respect? So I imagine he will appear in Part Two to save Arakeen from the evil and doltish Beast as part of the Baron's plan.

I've never read the book, only seen the TV miniseries and of course the Lynchverse, so my memory is vague on the plot points.

[Josquius]

The plan (tm) was Paul was to be a girl and marry Feyd and then their kid would be superman.
Jessica loved the Duke so decided to have a boy instead, screwing up the plan.

I must say though. Feyd always seemed a bit undeveloped considering he should also have a large chunk of the potential to be god.

[The Larch]

In Dune 2021 the head witch nun mentioned to Jessica that they had other alternatives so I guess Feyd is included in that respect? So I imagine he will appear in Part Two to save Arakeen from the evil and doltish Beast as part of the Baron's plan.

I've never read the book, only seen the TV miniseries and of course the Lynchverse, so my memory is vague on the plot points.

Yeah, that's the Baron's plan in the book, IIRC. Beast would rule Arrakis first right after conquering it from the Atreides and make an ass of himself ruling with the heaviest hand and hammiest fist possible to then be replaced by Feyd Rautha, who would look like the most enlightened ruler possible in comparison.

Feyd Rautha was also an important part of the Bene Gesserit's plans, as he was meant to marry an Atreides princess and their offspring would have a pretty good chance to become the Kwisatz Haderach. Lady Jessica falling in love with Duke Leto threw a wrench to that plan, as instead of having a female daughter as instructed by the Bene Gesserit, she had Paul instead.

[Sheilbh]

For some reason I remembered it being Bowie in the Lynch version.
Sting is considerably less cool.

Incidentally this is right on all points - but it feels like such a weird film that it's suprising that early 80s Bowies isn't in it

[The Minsky Moment]

Why the hate on Gordon?   Sting is more believable as a dastardly knife fighter than Bowie.

[Syt]

Why the hate on Gordon?   Sting is more believable as a dastardly knife fighter than Bowie.

I know which one I would prefer, Sting or Bowie.

[celedhring]

For some reason I remembered it being Bowie in the Lynch version.
Sting is considerably less cool.

Incidentally this is right on all points - but it feels like such a weird film that it's suprising that early 80s Bowies isn't in it

Lynch made a better match with 1990s Bowie 

[crazy canuck]

Although politics goes beyond the feudal house thing, I think it's very good on the colonial aspects of it, which is certainly political. And is pretty good at the politics of the mysticism (myths being planted).

I think he handles the politics pretty well - it's broadly show don't tell with limited exposition which maybe doesn't capture everything but I think gives enough.

I saw the movie last night and thought it was brilliant.  I agree with you that it handled the politics well.  And especially the show don't tell aspect of the politics at play.  I thought it did a great job of showing the politics of each faction and right from the start showing the Freman perspective.  I thought it did an excellent job of describing the murky Bene Gesserit politics - and as you pointed out the myth making they create to pave the way for Paul.  It also did a great job of showing that the Duke knew he was walking into a trap created by the Emperor,  why the Emperor had done it, and the plan the Duke had for eluding the trap and coming out on top.  The Duke just didn't realize until the last moments that he was actually playing a part within the Bene Gesserit plan.  I also loved how the movie showed the Harkonennon political motivations rather than just being the cartoonish villains in the Lynch movie.   And most of all I loved the fact that the movie showed the plans within plans mantra of the book rather then awkwardly stating it over and over again like the Lynch movie.

That alone was enough to make the movie very enjoyable.  Add to that stunningly beautiful it is.  Definitely something to see in a theatre with all the sound and effects bells and whistles.  When the thumber was used I could feel it.  It was a wonderful movie experience.