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Started by jimmy olsen, April 22, 2010, 10:22:01 AM

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citizen k

Quote from: The Brain on April 24, 2010, 02:22:16 AM
What does the Electoral College matter? Everyone knows that American political decisions are made by faceless rich white guys in coke-filled rooms.
Smoke filled rooms, the coke is for after party.


Eddie Teach

Quote from: The Brain on April 24, 2010, 02:22:16 AM
What does the Electoral College matter? Everyone knows that American political decisions are made by faceless rich white guys in coke-filled rooms.

What exactly do you think an Elector is?  :huh:
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

The Brain

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 24, 2010, 06:24:18 AM
Quote from: The Brain on April 24, 2010, 02:22:16 AM
What does the Electoral College matter? Everyone knows that American political decisions are made by faceless rich white guys in coke-filled rooms.

What exactly do you think an Elector is?  :huh:

A German prince. Which sounds like a horrible concept btw.
Women want me. Men want to be with me.

garbon

Quote from: The Brain on April 24, 2010, 02:22:16 AM
What does the Electoral College matter? Everyone knows that American political decisions are made by faceless rich white guys in coke-filled rooms.

I love Coke as much as anyone, but I wouldn't want to swim in a room filled with it. Too syrupy!
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Martinus

Quote from: Savonarola on April 22, 2010, 10:30:09 AM
I believe some states have laws to punish "Faithless Electors."

Don't they get melted into the wall surrounding Kelemvor's domain?

Martinus

#35
Quote from: The Brain on April 24, 2010, 07:05:45 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 24, 2010, 06:24:18 AM
Quote from: The Brain on April 24, 2010, 02:22:16 AM
What does the Electoral College matter? Everyone knows that American political decisions are made by faceless rich white guys in coke-filled rooms.

What exactly do you think an Elector is?  :huh:

A German prince. Which sounds like a horrible concept btw.

Depends. What's German for "Formerly known as"?

Agelastus

Quote from: Martinus on April 24, 2010, 02:21:48 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 22, 2010, 10:30:09 AM
I believe some states have laws to punish "Faithless Electors."

Don't they get melted into the wall surrounding Kelemvor's domain?

Interesting reference. I hadn't realised he'd become a god.
"Come grow old with me
The Best is yet to be
The last of life for which the first was made."

dps

Quote from: Martinus on April 24, 2010, 02:21:48 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 22, 2010, 10:30:09 AM
I believe some states have laws to punish "Faithless Electors."

Don't they get melted into the wall surrounding Kelemvor's domain?

That's another problem with the Coke-filled rooms.  Stuff will dissolve anything.

Razgovory

Quote from: Agelastus on April 24, 2010, 06:01:29 PM
Quote from: Martinus on April 24, 2010, 02:21:48 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 22, 2010, 10:30:09 AM
I believe some states have laws to punish "Faithless Electors."

Don't they get melted into the wall surrounding Kelemvor's domain?

Interesting reference. I hadn't realised he'd become a god.

Over a fucking decade ago.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

grumbler

Quote from: Razgovory on April 24, 2010, 06:36:26 PM
Over a fucking decade ago.
How many real decades in a fucking decade (or vice-versa)?
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Agelastus

Quote from: Razgovory on April 24, 2010, 06:36:26 PM
Quote from: Agelastus on April 24, 2010, 06:01:29 PM
Quote from: Martinus on April 24, 2010, 02:21:48 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 22, 2010, 10:30:09 AM
I believe some states have laws to punish "Faithless Electors."

Don't they get melted into the wall surrounding Kelemvor's domain?

Interesting reference. I hadn't realised he'd become a god.

Over a fucking decade ago.

Since I haven't read a "Forgotten Realms" book in at least 15 fucking years, I'm quite pleased I remembered the name.  :P
"Come grow old with me
The Best is yet to be
The last of life for which the first was made."

jimmy olsen

#42
Okay, after comparing the state by states for 1912
to the two closest Republican landslides in 1904
and 1920 as well as 1924 which has some
similarities to the proposed hypothetical where
Progressive Democrats defect, this is the absolute
worst I think the Democrats could have done. Say
if Clark's complacent (IIRC he lost his first House
reelection campaign due to this) and then has
some gaffs towards the end when he realizes he's
in trouble and goes into panic mode. Taft paints
Champ as more conservative than he really is,
positioning himself as the sensible and moderate
choice. Roosevelt meanwhile benefits from the
hemorrhaging of Progressive elements of the
Democratic Caucus who defect like they would do
in the OTL 1924 election. In not one state do the
Democrats exceed their worst showing in the
1904,1920 or 1924 time elections. IIRC, in only
one state do the Democrats even get with 1% of
that mark (Arizona). By the way, I found it quite
amazing how static voting patterns were in the
South with the exception of the years in which a
state's right type ran.

TR - 212 with 29.97% (+2.57%)
Clark -207 with 37.56% (-4.25%)
Taft - 109 with 24.88% (+1.68%)
(I'm annoyed I can't figure out how to post the
enormous table I made)

If only 54 out of 109 Taft Electors follow Taft's
plea to back TR, than Roosevelt is elected.

It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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Eddie Teach

WTF is Clark and what happened to Woodrow Wilson?
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

jimmy olsen

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 25, 2010, 09:27:25 AM
WTF is Clark and what happened to Woodrow Wilson?
The whole point of this is to run the election without Wilson, who was Progressive and a good campaigner. Clark was the Democratic Speaker of the House, a man perceived as more conservative and pro-business. He was the favorite for the nomination in 1912. Bryan wouldn't accept him and threw his support to Wilson. If Wilson doesn't run for some reason (worse stroke in 1906 for example), then he'd almost certainly be the nominee.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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1 Karma Chameleon point