Clegg

[Berkut]

Who or what is a Clegg anyway?

[ulmont]

Who or what is a Clegg anyway?

Main Entry: 1clegg
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English clogge short thick piece of wood
Date: 14th century

1 a : a weight attached especially to an animal to hinder motion b : something that shackles or impedes : encumbrance 1
2 : a shoe, sandal, or overshoe having a thick typically wooden sole

[Sheilbh]

BBC just interview BNP deputy leader.  He started by moaning about the Americanisation and dumbing-down of politics then led into this:
"We'll be an Islamic Republic within 30 years.  Which would be a disaster."
".....Do you really think that?"


Incidentally I recommend this superb interview with the party leader of UKIP, Lord Pearson:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT5qRqHHoJo&feature=player_embedded#!

[Agelastus]

The only interesting thing to emerge from the Media's feeding frenzy on Clegg is that he once worked as a lobbyist for RBS, where he was apparently active on their behalf in opposing increased banking regulation. Even that's little more than a storm in a teacup, though.

[alfred russel]

Edit: Oh my favourite line was from Gordon Brown to a female pensioner asking a question: 'Woman - and you are one of them'

:lol:Can you add the context?

[Sheilbh]

:lol:Can you add the context?

An elderly woman (85, raised 5 children) asked about her low state pension (because she'd interrupted her working life she is on a lower rate), Gordon Brown was saying (or meaning to) that this tends to discriminate against women especially those who raise children which is a problem.  Unfortunately he said 'Woman - and you are one.'  Grace looked reassure to finally have this confirmed.

[Josquius]

BBC just interview BNP deputy leader.  He started by moaning about the Americanisation and dumbing-down of politics then led into this:
"We'll be an Islamic Republic within 30 years.  Which would be a disaster."
".....Do you really think that?"


Incidentally I recommend this superb interview with the party leader of UKIP, Lord Pearson:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT5qRqHHoJo&feature=player_embedded#!

Wow,
Funny, and just last week a friend was insisting UKIP aren't the old school Tories we think they are....yet even the way this guy speaks!
Its almost like something out of Brenner, Bird and Fortune...

[Sheilbh]

Funny, and just last week a friend was insisting UKIP aren't the old school Tories we think they are....yet even the way this guy speaks!

I know.  Discussing the banks after an enormous recession and financial collapse 'this is minutiae'

Apparently the insta-polls (and it took a while for these to be worked out) are roughly 30-30-30.  One narrowly for Cameron (he did as well last week), one narrowly for Clegg and Brown doing well to be a respectable third.

Edit:  But my sense is that that's a loss for Cameron who needed a 'comeback kid' moment and, alas, he has George Osborne who people dislike spinning for him now.  I also think the ganging up on Clegg may backfire on the other two (it legitimises him in a slightly different way than the 'I agree with Nick' last week).  But I think the anti-Clegg stuff is difficult because he doesn't come across as a looney so there's a disconnect between the attacks and what people see on TV.

[Palisadoes]

Much more even in this debate. Clegg got his policies mutilated (thankfully), and Brown appeared a LOT stronger than he did before. Cameron started off slow but found his feet in the end, and turned out to be quite good.

[Sheilbh]

Much more even in this debate. Clegg got his policies mutilated (thankfully), and Brown appeared a LOT stronger than he did before. Cameron started off slow but found his feet in the end, and turned out to be quite good.

I'd say the opposite on Cameron and Nick.  I think Clegg did well in his toughest bits (Trident, Europe and immigration - I think he dominated immigration 'how can you deport them when you don't know where they live?') and had a great closing argument.  Cameron I thought started strong but his closing argument was weak - I also didn't like the fact that he seemed to promise free eye tests/prescriptions for the elderly just because he was challenged.

Paddy's spinning for the BBC :Wub:

[Josquius]

I think Clegg did a pretty good job of explaining his otherwise nutty seeming policies.
He's not chosing to do what he wants to do because its his first choice, he's doing it as its actually doing something and helping to tackle the problem a little rather than doing the normal thing and just shouting at the problem until it vanishes on its own.
As a fabian I agree

[citizen k]

Clegg shows he's no 1-hit wonder in Britain debate
By PAISLEY DODDS, Associated Press

LONDON – Nick Clegg proved he wasn't a one-hit wonder in Britain's second election debate Thursday, holding his own against Labour's Prime Minister Gordon Brown and the Conservatives' David Cameron over thorny issues such as Afghanistan, the Catholic sex abuse scandal and the special relationship with the United States.

An initial poll gave Clegg a slight edge in the debate, but it appeared to be close to a three-way tie. Still, Clegg managed to keep some of his political stardust — respondents said the Liberal Democrats' 43-year-old leader seemed the most honest.

Clegg shook up the race last week, emerging as a clear winner after giving a smooth and confident performance in Britain's first U.S.-styled election debate and boosting his party's profile.

Thursday's debate came as dozens of anti-war protesters and other activists clashed with police outside the studio hosting the prime-time duel. Pro-Palestinian groups outside protested Israeli incursions in Gaza. Others held placards that read "Troops Home!" There are some 10,000 British troops still stationed in Afghanistan.

It was the closest Britain has come to the famous 1960 Nixon-Kennedy debate — every grimace and blemish were seen in high-definition television format. The candidates' performances make the razor-close May 6 election even harder to predict.

Polls suggest that no party will win an outright majority. That situation could turn the Liberal Democrats into a kingmaker, bartering with both Labour and the Conservative for things they want — namely electoral changes that could weaken Britain's traditional two-party system.

Brown was on the attack for most of the debate, ridiculing Clegg and Cameron — both 16 years his junior — and at one point comparing them to his children. He also lashed out at Clegg, accusing him of being anti-American, and going after Cameron for being "anti-European."

"These two guys remind me of my two young boys squabbling at bathtime, squabbling about referendums on the EU when what we need is jobs and growth and recovery," said Brown, 59. "I'm afraid David is anti-European, Nick is anti-American and both are out of touch with reality."

Clegg, whose Liberal Democrats voted against the U.S.-led Iraq war and who has questioned British "subservience" to U.S. interests, denied he was anti-American, but said Britain should reevaluate how it deals with its trans-Atlantic ally.

"It's an immensely important special relationship, but it shouldn't be a one-way street. We shouldn't always do what our American friends tell us to do."

An automated telephone poll taken by ComRes after the debate showed that 2,691 viewers favored Clegg by a tiny margin. About a third of viewers believed that Clegg won the debate, while 30 percent believed that Brown or Cameron won. The margin of error for that sample size is plus or minus 2 percentage points.

Cameron, who gave a lackluster performance in last week's debate, appeared to learn from his mistakes — he looked directly at the camera and seemed more confident Thursday. He almost lost his temper when he accused Brown of allowing campaign leaflets that suggested a Conservative government would cut benefits for the elderly.

"These lies you are getting from Labour are pure and simple lies. I have seen these lies and they make me very, very angry."

Both Labour and the Conservatives voted for Britain to go to war in Iraq, a stance that has hurt them with anti-war sentiment still strong in Britain. The Labour Party, which has been in power for 13 years, lost many seats in the 2005 general election when voters cast protest ballots against Tony Blair's decision to lead Britain into Iraq.

Afghanistan, the latest nettlesome mission, in which 280 British troops have died, is now one of Britain's longest and most costly conflicts, draining government coffers as the country tries to recover from its worst recession since World War II.

Clegg criticized the strategy in Afghanistan and said troops needed better equipment. The party would support other operations if they were in the interests of Britain but, "If you put soldiers into harm's way, you either do the job properly or don't do it at all," he said.

An audience member asked whether the leaders backed Pope Benedict XVI's visit to Britain in September, and if they supported the church's stance on the sex abuse scandal, condoms, homosexuality and stem cell research.

All three men said they supported the visit, which is due to cost taxpayers some 15 million pounds ($22.5 million).

Cameron was most definitive, however, on other differences with the church, saying the church has "very serious work to do to unearth and come to terms with some of the appalling things that have happened."

Clegg, a former member of the European Parliament, once backed Britain adopting the euro and has talked about forging stronger ties with Europe. He stressed Thursday that Britain needs cooperation from other European countries if progress is to be made on terrorism, immigration, climate change and bank regulation.

Cameron has long been a euro-skeptic and stood apart from both Clegg and Brown on Thursday when he suggested again there should be a referendum allowing British people to decide how they feel about being a part of the European Union.

Clegg is unlikely to become prime minister because Britain's electoral system is not proportional so parties must win the majority of districts not the popular vote. This puts smaller and newer parties at a disadvantage. Most core voters still either vote Conservative or Labour.

Candidates managed to get across their campaign mantras throughout the debates — with the Conservatives warning that a hung Parliament and a coalition government could hurt the pound and Britain's credit rating and Brown insisting that a government shake-up could jeopardize an economic recovery.

The British electorate has reached an all-time low for trust in politicians after an expenses scandal last year tarred all three major parties.


Associated Press Writer Raphael Satter in London contributed to this report.

[HisMajestyBOB]

"These lies you are getting from Labour are pure and simple lies. I have seen these lies and they make me very, very angry."

CAMERON SMASH!

[Brazen]

Oh man, he was my dead cert until I heard last night he's anti nuclear power Get back to the 1950s, hippy!

[Josquius]

Oh man, he was my dead cert until I heard last night he's anti nuclear power Get back to the 1950s, hippy!

That is offputting, but his arguments are more practical than anti-nuclear in itself though.