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Chomsky Warns of Risk of Fascism in America

Started by jimmy olsen, April 14, 2010, 10:54:32 PM

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Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 15, 2010, 07:02:16 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 15, 2010, 02:07:46 AM
I like how he credits class struggle and popular uprising against the rich for the Tea Parties' popularity as though it were a proletariat revolution against the rampant capitalism of Obama.  :P
And yet his fear is for a Fascist takeover, rather than a Communist one.

I don't think Chomsky applied his usually razor-sharp intellect to this question.
It's not like fascists don't use similar rhetoric.  Both fascism and communism are anti-elite.
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Wow, amazing that he'd be able to predict the rise of Fascism 85  years before the march on Rome. 
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 14, 2010, 10:54:32 PM

QuoteChomsky Warns of Risk of Fascism in America
By Matthew Rothschild, April 12, 2010

Noam Chomsky, the leading leftwing intellectual, warned last week that fascism may be coming to the United States.

"I'm just old enough to have heard a number of Hitler's speeches on the radio," he said, "and I have a memory of the texture and the tone of the cheering mobs, and I have the dread sense of the dark clouds of fascism gathering" here at home...

"The level of anger and fear is like nothing I can compare in my lifetime," he said.

He listened to Hitler and yet Nazi Germany doesn't compare to today's level of anger and fear in the US?  :yeahright:
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Quote from: Fireblade on April 15, 2010, 08:55:24 AM

One of two things is true:
(1) Lewis wrote this statement fifty years prior to his birth; or
(2) Those who created this demotivator, plus those who promulgate it, are clueless morons who lack reading skills.
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? He should spend time on this forum and see how accurate his prediciton is.
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Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 15, 2010, 02:07:46 AM
He's an interesting guy in my opinion. He's got such a different outlook on things that he has the effect of showing you the same things you look at every day from odd and bizarre angles. That's a good thing, even if he's outrageously wrong. I like how he credits class struggle and popular uprising against the rich for the Tea Parties' popularity as though it were a proletariat revolution against the rampant capitalism of Obama.  :P

I don't think this is so off, actually. Class struggle doesn't need to mean socialism vs. capitalism necessarily, and the decision to bail out banks and Wall Street is perceived through the lens of rich vs. poor conflict by many people.

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Quote from: grumbler on April 15, 2010, 09:02:13 AM
Quote from: Fireblade on April 15, 2010, 08:55:24 AM

One of two things is true:
(1) Lewis wrote this statement fifty years prior to his birth; or
(2) Those who created this demotivator, plus those who promulgate it, are clueless morons who lack reading skills.

That's because the date should be 1935 but even then a quick google search shows no proof that Lewis ever actually wrote/said that.
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Maybe he said it at 18.35 whilst downing a martini prior to having dinner  :hmm:

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Chomsky is a well known eejit outside of linguistics. Meh.
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Siege

Quote from: Jaron on April 14, 2010, 10:56:32 PM
What is funny is you actually consider yourself in a right winger. Only two groups are allowed in the right wing: White people and their house niggers. Which are you?

I'm not white and I am right winger. You fail at politics.



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Quote from: Siege on April 15, 2010, 02:28:17 PM
Quote from: Jaron on April 14, 2010, 10:56:32 PM
What is funny is you actually consider yourself in a right winger. Only two groups are allowed in the right wing: White people and their house niggers. Which are you?

I'm not white and I am right winger. You fail at politics.


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Siege

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 15, 2010, 02:31:46 PM
Quote from: Siege on April 15, 2010, 02:28:17 PM
Quote from: Jaron on April 14, 2010, 10:56:32 PM
What is funny is you actually consider yourself in a right winger. Only two groups are allowed in the right wing: White people and their house niggers. Which are you?

I'm not white and I am right winger. You fail at politics.


Liar. You're a socialist.

No. Tribal-socialist, maybe. There is nothing farther on the Right than religious tribal-socialism.


"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

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jimmy olsen

Quote from: grumbler on April 15, 2010, 08:58:57 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 14, 2010, 10:54:32 PM

QuoteChomsky Warns of Risk of Fascism in America
By Matthew Rothschild, April 12, 2010

Noam Chomsky, the leading leftwing intellectual, warned last week that fascism may be coming to the United States.

"I'm just old enough to have heard a number of Hitler's speeches on the radio," he said, "and I have a memory of the texture and the tone of the cheering mobs, and I have the dread sense of the dark clouds of fascism gathering" here at home...

"The level of anger and fear is like nothing I can compare in my lifetime," he said.

He listened to Hitler and yet Nazi Germany doesn't compare to today's level of anger and fear in the US?  :yeahright:
Surely he meant the level of anger and fear in the US in his lifetime, though even then he would be wrong.
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