Piece of shit SEIU prezidizzle to quit

[MadImmortalMan]

How centralized is the SEIU organization anyway? They certainly made some strategic mistakes sending heavies to town hall meetings and such recently. I'd rather think those bad pr effects were more the result of over-zealous local idiots than orders coming from the top to do things that would obviously backfire on them.

[Razgovory]

His goons spent years trying to organize the medical center I worked at in Boston.  He himself came up several times but I never saw him or anything.

They basically ruined Yale's medical center a few years before, so when we heard they were coming to town we were: less than pleased.  They made all of management take a bunch of classes to learn how to deal with union organizers and what to say/not to say to them.  I used to see those pricks walking around annoying people, including a chick that worked for me at one point.  Fortunately, she was anti-union so I did not need to fire her.

I don't know if they were ultimately successful or not as I left to move down here, but as of the time of my relocation they had not succeeded yet.

Reduce your ability to push people around.  I understand.  It is the natural desire of all people to discharge their will onto others.  That's why so many people hate big corporations, unions, and government. The idea that someone could step in and prevent them must be so emasculating.

[Caliga]

IIRC Stern was featured in some of the attack ads, so one assumes he approved of the approach, at least insofar as their efforts to organize Boston's hospital workers go.

[grumbler]

How centralized is the SEIU organization anyway? They certainly made some strategic mistakes sending heavies to town hall meetings and such recently. I'd rather think those bad pr effects were more the result of over-zealous local idiots than orders coming from the top to do things that would obviously backfire on them.

Again, though, that speaks to bureaucratic decision-making.  Why would locals do things that hurt themselves?  Because they think their boss wants that, and they would rather please the boss than serve the nominal interests of the organization, because their boss has such a major say in their promotion.

[garbon]

Well, I'm not merely a smart person, I'm also an intellectually curious person

Humble also.

Be honest, what can humility afford you?

[grumbler]

Well, I'm not merely a smart person, I'm also an intellectually curious person

Humble also.

Be honest, what can humility afford you?

In Soviet Russia, humility can afford you!

[Caliga]

Reduce your ability to push people around.  I understand.  It is the natural desire of all people to discharge their will onto others.  That's why so many people hate big corporations, unions, and government. The idea that someone could step in and prevent them must be so emasculating.

With all due respect, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

[DGuller]

Well, I'm not merely a smart person, I'm also an intellectually curious person

Humble also.

I'm indeed very humble.  If I weren't humble, I wouldn't be describing myself as merely smart.

[Razgovory]

Reduce your ability to push people around.  I understand.  It is the natural desire of all people to discharge their will onto others.  That's why so many people hate big corporations, unions, and government. The idea that someone could step in and prevent them must be so emasculating.

With all due respect, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Really?  You already expressed a desire to fire someone because they displeased you and then displayed sorrow that you didn't have the power to do so.

[garbon]

I'm indeed very humble.  If I weren't humble, I wouldn't be describing myself as merely smart.

Perhaps gifted but certainly not talented.

[Ed Anger]

Well, I'm not merely a smart person, I'm also an intellectually curious person

Humble also.

Be honest, what can humility afford you?

In Soviet Russia, humility can afford you!

[Neil]

How centralized is the SEIU organization anyway? They certainly made some strategic mistakes sending heavies to town hall meetings and such recently. I'd rather think those bad pr effects were more the result of over-zealous local idiots than orders coming from the top to do things that would obviously backfire on them.

Again, though, that speaks to bureaucratic decision-making.  Why would locals do things that hurt themselves?  Because they think their boss wants that, and they would rather please the boss than serve the nominal interests of the organization, because their boss has such a major say in their promotion.

And this is compounded by the fact that now their bosses make every major decision for them.  Discretion is a thing of the past for them.

[grumbler]

And this is compounded by the fact that now their bosses make every major decision for them.  Discretion is a thing of the past for them.

That's pretty much the nature of bureaucratic thinking. 

[Caliga]

Really?  You already expressed a desire to fire someone because they displeased you and then displayed sorrow that you didn't have the power to do so.

I was joking.  She was a great employee, and had I really wanted to I could have fired her, I guess, but she never gave me any reason to do so.

It's certainly true that unions make it more difficult to fire people, getting back to your earlier point.  Where I would differ is whether or not that's a bad thing.

[Darth Wagtaros]

Really?  You already expressed a desire to fire someone because they displeased you and then displayed sorrow that you didn't have the power to do so.

I was joking.  She was a great employee, and had I really wanted to I could have fired her, I guess, but she never gave me any reason to do so.

It's certainly true that unions make it more difficult to fire people, getting back to your earlier point.  Where I would differ is whether or not that's a bad thing.

Varies I guess.  Took years to get rid of a useless boozehound (he'd get drunk in the parking lot during lunch) who never did any work.  In the end he got early retirement instead of the termination he deserved.

On the other hand they almost certainly do offer some protection or at least arbitration to those who don't get along with their bosses and are unfairly fired or punished.