Should citizens with a permanent residence in a different country vote?

[Martinus]

Citizens should be allowed to vote.  You can change the citizenship laws to not allow dual citizenship.

One doesn't need to have dual citizenship to reside permanently in a country they are not a citizen of. 

[Martinus]

Never really thought about it. They're such a small percentage of the electorate it doesn't really matter. I can see how it'd be seen as a problem in a country people are fleeing however. 

It's a problem as it is virtually impossible to assign them to a constituency.

Here all emigrants are assigned to the Warsaw voting district (which as you can imagine can actually influence the results).

Obviously this is less of an issue in Presidential elections.

Unlike Spain, at least local elections are not affected, as you need to be a permanent resident of a relevant municipality/county/voivodship to be able to vote.

[Agelastus]

Citizens should be allowed to vote.  You can change the citizenship laws to not allow dual citizenship.

One doesn't need to have dual citizenship to reside permanently in a country they are not a citizen of. 

Second or third generation emigrees would hold dual citizenship due to where they were born, wouldn't they? And besides, I think this was more aimed at the Larch's complaint since he brought up the multi-generational issue.

[Alexandru H.]

Gays shouldn't vote and that's a fact. Since a gay doesn't reproduce, he has no interest in the future of the nation so he's more likely to vote for immediate advantages that would burden future generations. In the same way as old people.

[Eddie Teach]

Gays shouldn't vote and that's a fact. Since a gay doesn't reproduce, he has no interest in the future of the nation so he's more likely to vote for immediate advantages that would burden future generations. In the same way as old people.

Not to mention, any person of voting age is fast approaching old age in gay years. 

[Grey Fox]

No.

[The Brain]

Do you think people with your country's nationality/citizenship, who have a permanent place of residence in a different country, be allowed to vote in national elections in your country?

Citizens? Sure why not.

[Valmy]

Americans pay taxes on income earned abroad, which is a total crock but there you go, so they have just as much right to vote in an election as I do.  Furthermore tons of Americans get sent abroad by their government or company to do legitimate Yanqui Imperialist Pigdog business and shouldn't be punished for that.

[Martinus]

Which is why I used the word "permanent". I thought it doesn't mean "temporary", Valmy.

[Valmy]

Which is why I used the word "permanent". I thought it doesn't mean "temporary", Valmy.

I do not recall saying anything about people staying temporarily.  We do have permanent expat communities throughout the world.

[Warspite]

Here's an illustration of why letting emigre communities vote can be a bad idea:



Basically, Ivo Josipovic is a well educated moderate politician (who thankfully won). He got 60% of the vote overall.

Milan Bandic is a fucking douche bag. He had something like 12 corruption investigations over him at the time of the election.

When you live abroad, you tend to have an increasingly idealised vision of the homeland, to the point where you're more likely to vote for nationalist or patriotic parties as opposed to the moderate candidates with a more realistic vision.

[Josephus]

No.

Only if you pay taxes in that nation.

[The Brain]

No.

Only if you pay taxes in that nation.

Only a moron would pay their taxes in Sweden. Surely you don't want Sweden to be ruled by mo...

[Valmy]

No.

Only if you pay taxes in that nation.

That is the primary reason I am in favor of American abroad voting.  If you are an American citizen you pay taxes regardless of where you make your money.  The great federal beast must be satiated.

[Martinus]

Here's an illustration of why letting emigre communities vote can be a bad idea:



Basically, Ivo Josipovic is a well educated moderate politician (who thankfully won). He got 60% of the vote overall.

Milan Bandic is a fucking douche bag. He had something like 12 corruption investigations over him at the time of the election.

When you live abroad, you tend to have an increasingly idealised vision of the homeland, to the point where you're more likely to vote for nationalist or patriotic parties as opposed to the moderate candidates with a more realistic vision.

Exactly the same thing happens in Poland, yeah.