Lettow's hero and racist unique snowflake Terreblanche beaten to death.

[Sheilbh]

People tend to remember armed militias and particularly well reported multiple killings. Thanks to his organisation's idiot expedition to support the government of one of the "Black Homelands", I am sure his name is better remembered than you believe.

I only know him from Nick Broomfield's films 'The Leader, His Driver and the Driver's Wife' and the later one 'His Big White Self'.  Good films.

[Camerus]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/05/eugene-terre-blanche-south-africa

Eugene Terre'Blanche's death stirs up fear and anger in South Africa

Racial tensions escalating over AWB leader's murder and raging media storm surrounding Julius Malema

A motorcyclist wearing a Scream mask pierced the deceptive calm outside the murdered Eugene Terre'Blanche's homestead near Venterdsorp this afternoon.

The man walked up to a wire fence outside the farm, ignoring the flowers laid in sympathy beside the long grass, and hung up an Israeli national flag. On it were the spray-painted words: "Ethnic cleansing. Afrikaner genocide."

Ever since the Anglo-Boer war more than a century ago, when an estimated 28,000 perished in Lord Kitchener's concentration camps, the descendents of Dutch and other European settler farmers in South Africa have felt a heightened sense of vulnerability.

Today, the threat is perceived as coming from the country's black majority, which gained power with the election of Nelson Mandela in 1994, following the demise of racial apartheid.

Mandela's creed of reconciliation seemed distant today as the violent death of Terre'Blanche focused fear and anger on rightwing websites, where feelings were already escalating in reaction to Julius Malema, leader of the African National Congress (ANC) youth league.

Malema's persistent singing of an apartheid-era protest song containing the line "Kill the Boer" – Boer is Afrikaans for farmer – led to a media storm and a gagging order from a provincial court on the grounds that it could incite violence.

Malema has been described by the Freedom Front Plus party as "an accessory to the wiping out of farmers in South Africa". Last month, the civil rights group AfriForum took a list of more than 1,600 victims of farm murders to the ANC's headquarters, Luthuli House. Members of the ANC youth league pushed them away and scattered the list on the street. AfriForum said the youth league deliberately trampled on the names and tore the list to pieces.

"It is extremely perturbing that they actually trod on the names of the murder victims," said Ernst Roets, the national chairman of AfriForum Youth. "It might just as well have been Robert Mugabe meeting us today."

Indeed, the sum of all fears for South Africa's white farmers is that the country will go the way of Zimbabwe, where president Mugabe's land reform policy has seen white farmers murdered, beaten and kicked off their properties in the name of black empowerment.

With unfortunate timing, Malema spent the weekend in Zimbabwe, lavishing praise on Mugabe and whipping up crowds with more renditions of "Shoot the Boer". Tipped as a possible future president of South Africa, Malema also promised to copy Mugabe's model of land and mine seizures.

"In South Africa we are just starting," he was quoted by South Africa's Sunday Times as saying. "Here in Zimbabwe you are already very far. The land question has been addressed. We are very happy that today you can account for more than 300,000 new farmers, against the 4,000 who used to dominate agriculture. We hear you are now going straight to the mines. That's what we are going to be doing in South Africa."

Never shy of racialised rhetoric, Malema continued: "We want the mines. They have been exploiting our minerals for a long time. Now it's our turn to also enjoy from these minerals. They are so bright, they are colourful, we refer to them as white people, maybe their colour came as a result of exploiting our minerals and perhaps if some of us can get opportunities in these minerals we can develop some nice colour like them."

A source at the opposition Movement for Democratic Change told South Africa's City Press: "When Malema comes back from Harare, expect him to speak like a younger Mugabe. Expect the push on nationalisation and land redistribution to intensify. Expect the hate speeches to grow. He is learning from the best."

Frans Cronje, deputy director of the South African Institute of Race Relations, said the number of commercial farmers had dropped from 60,000 to 40,000 in the past decade and the trend was set to continue.

"They do have a perception they're under siege," Cronje added. "This has been reinforced by the ANC's recent comments."

But many South Africans, black and white, concede that Malema is right to say that political liberation has not translated into economic liberation for millions of black people. South Africa rivals Brazil as the most unequal society in the world, and white landowners remain relatively privileged.

Last year, Kgalema Motlanthe, the deputy president, said that some of the country's farm murders were committed not because of racism, but because conditions on some farms where migrant workers are exploited and unpaid, as if still under apartheid. "Some of the most brutal farm murders are committed by foreign nationals, who were brutally exploited and made to toil without any remuneration," he said. "The day when they demand remuneration, they are reported [by farmers] to the law enforcement units and are duly arrested and are sent back to their countries of origin.

"Of course, they come back and they go back and commit the most horrendous murders. This is why we need to condemn those who take advantage of foreign nationals in this fashion."

Pressure groups claim that more than 3,000 white farmers have been murdered since 1994, although definitions are imprecise and other estimates are roughly half that total. Police say that 861 white farmers have been killed since 2001.

A committee of i 2003 inquiry found in 2003 only 2% of farm attacks had a political or racial motive, but critics said this figure was far too low. More than 18,000 South Africans, mostly black, are murdered each year. Jackson Mthembu, a spokesman for the ANC, said: "When a farmer is killed, he's got AfriForum and the farmers union to speak for him so it is elevated. When an ordinary South African is killed in an informal settlement, no one speaks for him. We should put these things in proper context."

     

[Martim Silva]

The bad thing was not just Malemas' song, which was banned by the courts, but the fact that the ANC is trying to repeal the prohibition and spread the lyrics. That is pissing off a lot of people in South Africa. And creating a generation of blacks with a "Killing whites is OK" mindset.

In Africa, whites usually have a saying that, no matter what they do, sooner or later all blacks undergo a "Kill the White Men" phase. It's a certainty. When it comes, lots of killings take place until either their bloodlust is satisfied, or most of them are dead.

In our overseas territories, we Portuguese tended to experience this about once every 50-60 years. It was nasty. When the frenzy occurred, even the most trusted workers that people had known for all their lives suddenly just took up machetes and tried to kill all whites in sight. Which is why most white males had firearms - to kill any possible attacker at any time. And many saved their families with them, too. 

One farmer back in the frenzy of 1961 in Angola even managed to be so fast as to come down the stairs in time to blow the brains off of his households' waiter (that had been in his service for 30 years) right when the black was about to hack in half his 4-year-old daughter in the living room.

[garbon]

[Razgovory]

The bad thing was not just Malemas' song, which was banned by the courts, but the fact that the ANC is trying to repeal the prohibition and spread the lyrics. That is pissing off a lot of people in South Africa. And creating a generation of blacks with a "Killing whites is OK" mindset.

In Africa, whites usually have a saying that, no matter what they do, sooner or later all blacks undergo a "Kill the White Men" phase. It's a certainty. When it comes, lots of killings take place until either their bloodlust is satisfied, or most of them are dead.

In our overseas territories, we Portuguese tended to experience this about once every 50-60 years. It was nasty. When the frenzy occurred, even the most trusted workers that people had known for all their lives suddenly just took up machetes and tried to kill all whites in sight. Which is why most white males had firearms - to kill any possible attacker at any time. And many saved their families with them, too. 

One farmer back in the frenzy of 1961 in Angola even managed to be so fast as to come down the stairs in time to blow the brains off of his households' waiter (that had been in his service for 30 years) right when the black was about to hack in half his 4-year-old daughter in the living room.

Where did the Portuguese get all the white people from?

[Martim Silva]

Where did the Portuguese get all the white people from?

You'd be amazed, but we had large populations of germanics settling here during the Dark Ages (especially the Suevii), a sizeable population of English people in and around Lisbon [they started to arrive when we had a Queen from the House of Lancaster, which made all our rulers half-English up to 1580] and even several isles in the Atlantic were settled by people from the Netherlands (the Queen of the time was from Hainaut and she requested settlers from there).

Also, we regularly recruited people from England, France, Genoa and Venice for our Navy, and they in turn settled here.

(in fact, our Naval History started when we hired a Genoese admiral and his 13 galleys to our service in the XIVth century)

In addition, basically everyone who built our monuments from the XVth-XVIIIth century was either Castillian, Italian or French. And they also lived here (small wonder, since it took decades to build anything. And some stuff is still unfinished).

[Caliga]

*takes notes* So basically what you're saying is that the Portuguese people have never accomplished anything on their own.  Gotcha.

[Martim Silva]

*takes notes* So basically what you're saying is that the Portuguese people have never accomplished anything on their own.  Gotcha.

I suppose you're right. 

We usually portray ourselves as a nation of sailors and builders, but when I got to the records of our naval crews and the hiring numbers of the construction workers, there was rarely a portuguese name amongst them. And our greatest Kings had mostly English blood. The population itself only wanted easy money.

This was especially hard when it came to naval pilots. By the XVIIth century, we couldn't even reach India to relieve the Dutch blockade of Goa beacuse only 3 of our ships' pilots (all foreign) knew how get there, over 150 years after the sea route to India had been discovered.

And one was sick, another was at sea and the third was locked up in Goa. So our Navy could not sail to find the Enemy.

[Maximus]

What is it with people from the backward fringes of Europe wanting to be Germanic?

[Caliga]

I suppose you're right. 

Wow, not the reply I was expecting. 

Seriously though, I like Portugal.  Especially Portuguese cuisine (and its Brazilian descendant).

[Ed Anger]

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Seriously though, I like Portugal.

[Lettow77]

 Afriforum is laughebly irrelevent. They are a bunch of lukewarm moderates trying to discuss things rationally with a government that has no interest in their survival. I wonder how far they need to be squeezed to realise an internet forum for dialogue on race relations isn't going to do anything for them at all?

If the Afrikaners have any hope at all, it is in armed conflict. There are far fewer of them, but I am confident the bantu cannot prosecute a halfway competent war.

[Martim Silva]

Seriously though, I like Portugal.  Especially Portuguese cuisine (and its Brazilian descendant).

"The country is great. Its population is not that good" - said to me by Adel Daroga, an Iraqi expat in Portugal.

"The Portuguese are damn lazy. They hate work and just don't care about anything but coffee and breakfast" - Evelyn Guedes, a brazilian immigrant journalist, commenting to me about her work experiences in Portugal.

Note that Brazilian cuisine descends from the Italian one (52% of european emmigrants to Brasil were Italians).

If the Afrikaners have any hope at all, it is in armed conflict. There are far fewer of them, but I am confident the bantu cannot prosecute a halfway competent war.

One thing that is often overlooked is that the AWB has an alliance with the Zulu, while the government is a mess.

This whole thing can become even more of a clusterfuck than SA already is. I suspect the World Cup will be more interesting for what happens outside the stadiums, rather than inside.

(for some reason the German, Austrian and Italian teams will be bringing their own security guards)

What is it with people from the backward fringes of Europe wanting to be Germanic?

Tbh, the germanics came here first. The Visigoths and the Suevii decided to make our country their country.

Then, like true germanics, they passed Race Laws (why people claim racism is a modern invention or blame everything on the Nazis is beyond me) which turned their kind into the upper class.

That kinda made people look up to them, as they made up the elite. The fact that they are damn tall helped a lot, too.

By the middle ages, intermarriage made sure our monarchs were germanic (English or Germans), which made them even more overbearing.

Lastly, the success of England, Austria, Prussia (later Germany) gave them an aura of prosperity that was hard to ignore.

Heck, our King D. Carlos (killed in 1908) was so physically similar to the Kaiser [minus the arm] that they even played 'look-alike' with each other.

[jimmy olsen]

Seriously though, I like Portugal.  Especially Portuguese cuisine (and its Brazilian descendant).

"The country is great. Its population is not that good" - said to me by Adel Daroga, an Iraqi expat in Portugal.

"The Portuguese are damn lazy. They hate work and just don't care about anything but coffee and breakfast" - Evelyn Guedes, a brazilian immigrant journalist, commenting to me about her work experiences in Portugal.

Note that Brazilian cuisine descends from the Italian one (52% of european emmigrants to Brasil were Italians).

Damn, when Italians call you lazy you know somethings wrong.

[Neil]

Is it possible that state Catholicism somehow causes indolence and stupidity?