Ole Miss Scrapping their Mascot--Colonel Reb is too Confederate

[MadImmortalMan]

Now this is fun.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/22/AR2010022203427.html?waporef=obinsite

Mascotless Ole Miss to vote on Col Reb successor

By SHELIA BYRD
The Associated Press
Monday, February 22, 2010; 4:47 PM

JACKSON, Miss. -- Colonel Reb shall not rise again. That much is certain.

The University of Mississippi dumped the mascot - a caricature of a white plantation owner - in a 2003 effort to distance the school from Old South stereotypes. It's been without a mascot ever since. A vote Tuesday could change that.

Students will have only two choices in the online referendum: yes, replace the colonel with something else - perhaps a riverboat gambler or a colonial soldier - or no, remain the only school in the Southeastern Conference without a mascot.

In a world where football is akin to religion, and sports symbolism carries the power of a totem, this is no small matter. Stories about the upcoming vote have run prominently in the campus newspaper for weeks, along with "Save Colonel Reb" advertisements.

"We're tired of having nothing to represent us," said junior Josh Hinton, a member of the Associated Student Body, which approved a resolution calling for the vote. "We've gotten our song taken away. We want to have some kind of tradition back."

Ole Miss, with its pristine lawns and white-columned buildings, has struggled for more than a decade with how to retain that tradition while shedding symbols of the Old South. It's all part of an effort to remove past racial tensions that date back to 1962, when a deadly riot followed James Meredith's attempt to become the university's first black student.

In 1997, the school ended the waving of Confederate flags at sporting events. Then Colonel Reb was booted off the field. Last year, the band stopped playing the fight song, "From Dixie with Love," to discourage the fan chant, "The South will rise again."
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Koriann Porter, a black sophomore who collected more than 1,700 student signatures in support of a new mascot, said much has changed on campus since the civil rights era. The school has clubs devoted to embracing its diversity, and 15 percent of the 18,344 students are black. The state has a black population of 37.2 percent.

"When it comes to racial reconciliation, we embody the utopian society," she said.

Maybe not altogether utopian: Richard McKay, vice president of the Associated Student Body, said he had received some hate e-mail about the vote.

"We've gotten a lot of input whether it was asked for or not," said McKay, who is white. "A lot of students are afraid that as soon as we have a new mascot, everyone will forget about Colonel Reb."

Still, Colonel Reb hasn't disappeared altogether from the university. Ole Miss holds the license to the image so it's still on bumper stickers, lapel pins and other merchandise on display at Rebel games.


Other vestiges of the Old South can also be found on campus. The Mississippi state flag, with its Confederate battle emblem, is still flown and the team nickname remains the Rebels, adopted in 1936 after a group of sports writers voted to replace the Flood. That won't change even if the mascot does.

Ole Miss isn't the only Southern university that still winces over a painful heritage stretching from antebellum slavery though the Civil War, Jim Crow and the modern civil rights struggles.

At the University of Alabama last year, an event involving members of the Kappa Alpha Order dressed as Confederate soldiers drew complaints from a black sorority. The fraternity later apologized.

In Thibodaux, La., Nicholls State University reinvented its colonel mascot in 2009 after retiring the previous "Col. Tillou" amid concern that the figure recalled a uniformed Confederate officer.

While the university has made it clear there's no going back to the goateed Colonel Reb, his fans remain loyal and vocal.

"The majority of students I talked to feel they'd rather have no mascot if they can't have Colonel Reb, and that's going to be evident," said Hannah Loy, a senior from Natchez. She's part of the Colonel Reb Foundation, which is urging students to vote "no" to a new mascot.

A variation of the colonel first appeared in the 1930s in a yearbook. The image of the white character in a red wide-brimmed hat and tuxedo, leaning on a cane, is believed to have been based on a black man named Blind Jim Ivy, who attended most of the school's athletic events, according to school historian David Sansing. The colonel made the official transition to the field in 1979.
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Hinton says he's been searching the Internet for ideas on a new image to replace him. He thinks a riverboat gambler or a colonial soldier modeled on a New England patriot could work. McKay said there's been some talk about using a cardinal in a nod to the Cardinal Club, a school spirit organization that was recently revived. The club, started in 1927, uses a logo featuring the bird.

Chancellor Dan Jones said the administration will support whatever decision the students make.

They're not the only ones closely watching the vote. Alum Bob Dunlap, 80, who's in the tire business, said he has donated about $1 million to Ole Miss athletics over the years, but he'll likely stop if Colonel Reb is removed from the campus entirely. He said the vote is unnecessary.

"Everybody liked that little guy at those ball games," Dunlap said. "They just create a lot of bad feeling when they do these type of things."

lol @ the bold


So who is the front-runner for new mascot you ask???

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/24/AR2010022404447.html

By SHELIA BYRD
The Associated Press
Wednesday, February 24, 2010; 6:27 PM

JACKSON, Miss. -- Some students at the University of Mississippi want Admiral Ackbar of "Star Wars" fame for their new mascot - but as Ackbar himself might say, "It's a trap."

Officials say there's virtually no chance the fish-faced leader of the Rebel Alliance in the movie could become the on-field mascot for the Rebels of Ole Miss.

The Associated Student Body president dismisses it as "comic relief."

But that doesn't deter some Ole Miss "Star Wars" fanatics from promoting the pop-eyed space character.

Students voted this week to begin the search for a new mascot at the Southeastern Conference school. The Oxford-based university has been without a mascot since 2003, when Colonel Reb, a caricature of an aging Southern planter, was run off the field.

Sweet!!!

I predict copyright battles with Lucasarts though.








Edit: http://www.notatrap.org/

[The Brain]

Why didn't they let the South go?

[grumbler]

Ole Miss should consider that cartoon-character-like mascots are moronic (see:  Brutus, Sparty, Bucky Badger, or their late Colonel reb) and that it is better to have no mascot than suck a suckass mascot.  People dressed in appropriate costume (The USC dude) or actual animals are fine as mascots, but you can't get animals or people who are "Rebels" unless you invoke the ACW.

Better than Admiral Ackbar would be Jeff and Ackbar from the old Matt Groening "Life is Hell" series.  They were real rebels!

[The Brain]

What about Che? He was a rebel with a noble cause.

[Ed Anger]

Ole Miss should consider that cartoon-character-like mascots are moronic (see:  Brutus, Sparty, Bucky Badger, or their late Colonel reb) and that it is better to have no mascot than suck a suckass mascot.  People dressed in appropriate costume (The USC dude) or actual animals are fine as mascots, but you can't get animals or people who are "Rebels" unless you invoke the ACW.

Better than Admiral Ackbar would be Jeff and Ackbar from the old Matt Groening "Life is Hell" series.  They were real rebels!

Brutus is so going to kick you in your old nuts.

[MadImmortalMan]

People dressed in appropriate costume (The USC dude)

The supposedly-Trojan wielding a gladius and riding horseback? Yeah. Authentic.

[grumbler]

People dressed in appropriate costume (The USC dude)

The supposedly-Trojan wielding a gladius and riding horseback? Yeah. Authentic.

These are mascots, not museum entries.  "Mascot" is not a term about which the adjective "authentic" has any meaning.  It is like describing the color green as hungry.

[grumbler]

Brutus is so going to kick you in your old nuts.

Brutus is better than the Nittany Lion or the "Golden Gopher," but there is plenty of room between them and "non-moronic" in which to fit Brutus.

[Ed Anger]

Brutus is so going to kick you in your old nuts.

Brutus is better than the Nittany Lion or the "Golden Gopher," but there is plenty of room between them and "non-moronic" in which to fit Brutus.

The Nittany Lion looks like it was made out of carpet scraps.

[Caliga]

The Nittany Lion looks like it was made out of carpet scraps.

[PDH]

Pistol Pete is a real mascot...or is Wyoming's Cowboy Joe (the pony)? I forget. Anyway, in conclusion, Tim sucks.

[Lettow77]

 I am suprised this is news beyond my segment of the world.

Also, some of this makes me laugh. 

"When it comes to racial reconciliation, we embody the utopian society,"

15 percent of the 18,344 students are black. The state has a black population of 37.2 percent.

Edit: And let me say,  I totally support admiral ackbar. There'd be no hard feelings if they did that.

[DontSayBanana]

Edit: And let me say,  I totally support admiral ackbar. There'd be no hard feelings if they did that.

Hard feelings?  Maybe not.  But there'd be a legal action from Lucasfilm faster than you could say, "It's a trap!"  George Lucas is typically tolerant of individuals indulging in "fan activities," but where money-making organizations are concerned, he's almost as bad as the Terry Nation estate is about Daleks.

[Barrister]

Brutus is so going to kick you in your old nuts.

Brutus is better than the Nittany Lion or the "Golden Gopher," but there is plenty of room between them and "non-moronic" in which to fit Brutus.

Tell me you didn't just bad mouth the gopher.

[grumbler]

Brutus is so going to kick you in your old nuts.

Brutus is better than the Nittany Lion or the "Golden Gopher," but there is plenty of room between them and "non-moronic" in which to fit Brutus.

Tell me you didn't just bad mouth the gopher.

Just the guy in the suit pretending to be a gopher but looking like a goofer.


Michigan found it too dangerous to actually have a wolverine on the sidelines (even caged) and so decided in 1927 to just do without a mascot on the field.  That's the right decision, unless you can do it right (eg FSU Seminole, Georgia Bulldog).