Homosexuality in the Bible: David and Jonathan

[Eddie Teach]

Seems to be a tad more substance to this one than to most - the "your love was better than that of women" bit 

It could be suggesting something spiritual instead of physical.

[The Brain]

Yeah maybe he meant less drama, which rules out gay.

[garbon]

As ever the bourgeois fuck everything up.

I was told that my apt looks bougie.

[garbon]

It could be suggesting something spiritual instead of physical.

Mr. Wiggy, to me, your spiritual love is better than that of a woman.  Sounds faggy and closeted.

[Sheilbh]

As ever the bourgeois fuck everything up.

I was told that my apt looks bougie.

Oh God, so does mine.  I don't want to live in a hovel.

[Eddie Teach]

Mr. Wiggy, to me, your spiritual love is better than that of a woman.  Sounds faggy and closeted.

Religious peeps sometimes talk about God the same way. They're obviously not fucking Him.

[garbon]

Religious peeps sometimes talk about God the same way. They're obviously not fucking Him.

But of course, they are all married to Christ who is forever absent.

[Sheilbh]

Mr. Wiggy, to me, your spiritual love is better than that of a woman.  Sounds faggy and closeted.

Religious peeps sometimes talk about God the same way. They're obviously not fucking Him.

Actually that's a common (if, in my view, wrong) interpretation of at least one case of spiritual love:

[Malthus]

Yeah maybe he meant less drama, which rules out gay.

1 Samuel 20:41

After the boy had gone, David got up from the south side of the stone and bowed down before Jonathan three times, with his face to the ground. Then they kissed each other and wept together—but David wept the most.

Well, so much for that theory. 

[C.C.R.]

-He prefers the company of men.

-Who doesn't?

Captain Stransky:




At least, not in *ANY* & *ALL* situations...

[Malthus]

Seems to be a tad more substance to this one than to most - the "your love was better than that of women" bit 

It could be suggesting something spiritual instead of physical.

That, or something like it, has been the majority view through the ages.

Reading the book in context makes it seem somewhat unlikely to me that they were just spiritual pals, but it is of course impossible to say.

To my mind, the better model is their contemporaries - in particular, the Greek notions of the
"best" form of love as that being between males. This should not be too much of a surprise, as David at least spent part of his early life living among the Philistines, who were of Greek extraction, and obviously fitted in well with their culture; so odds are that the warrior culture of the Greeks was no mystery to him.

[Though he was famously an enemy of the Philistines, less well known is taht he fought as a Philistine mercenary when on the run from a jealous King Saul].

[Queequeg]

Has there been a lot of research on early Semitic sexual morays?  I know a lot more about the Indo-Europeans.  I do tend to think of early Semitic cultures as less hyper-masculine and open to homoeroticism, but this is likely just due to the fact that I have recurring sexual fantasies involving me and priestesses of Astarte.

[The Brain]

sexual morays 

Tell me more.

[Malthus]

Has there been a lot of research on early Semitic sexual morays?  I know a lot more about the Indo-Europeans.  I do tend to think of early Semitic cultures as less hyper-masculine and open to homoeroticism, but this is likely just due to the fact that I have recurring sexual fantasies involving me and priestesses of Astarte.

"Sexual morays" is a truly horrifying typo. Brings to mind a mental image of an amourous eel.

Seriously though, I doubt you will find much of anything that isn't based on an analysis of the Bible itself. Aside from that, there simply isn't anything in the was of written evidence of sexual ... customs.

[ulmont]

Mr. Wiggy, to me, your spiritual love is better than that of a woman.  Sounds faggy and closeted.

Religious peeps sometimes talk about God the same way. They're obviously not fucking Him.

Actually that's a common (if, in my view, wrong) interpretation of at least one case of spiritual love:

See also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU5tQkwv0dY