Toyota recall hearings

[citizen k]

Sorry but the state acting in its capacity as a legal entity engaging in commerce is not a "public issue".

Martinus:Libertarian 

[Martinus]

Sorry but the state acting in its capacity as a legal entity engaging in commerce is not a "public issue".

Martinus:Libertarian 

Nope, I'm a lawyer. In legal theory, you differentiate between what is called "imperium" (the state acting in its capacity of a sovereign) and "dominium" (the state, or more precisely, the "estate of the state", acting in its capacity of a proprietor/market actor). Only the former is normally recognized as giving the state special powers and thus being a "public" issue.

[citizen k]

... the "estate of the state", acting in its capacity of a proprietor/market actor). Only the former is normally recognized as giving the state special powers and thus being a "public" issue.

Using public funds and public properties isn't a "public" issue?

[Martinus]

... the "estate of the state", acting in its capacity of a proprietor/market actor). Only the former is normally recognized as giving the state special powers and thus being a "public" issue.

Using public funds and public properties isn't a "public" issue?

To the extent there is a breach of law (e.g. corruption) or it involves e.g. public procurement procedures, yes. But not when there is essentially a commercial private dispute ("you sold us a shitty car") - this is what civil courts are for, not congressional hearings.

[The Brain]

It's America, an inherently Socialist country.

[Admiral Yi]

In the EU, all big public contracts are open for all bidders, including e.g. Toyota. I know that the Germany Army bought over 1000 Nissan SUVs last year.

Never seen any on the street.  Would expect the UAW to raise a stink.

[Viking]

It's America, an inherently Socialist country.

Yeah, just look at the NFL and Major League Baseball

[DGuller]

To the extent there is a breach of law (e.g. corruption) or it involves e.g. public procurement procedures, yes. But not when there is essentially a commercial private dispute ("you sold us a shitty car") - this is what civil courts are for, not congressional hearings.

Congress doesn't just make laws.  It's also in the car making business.

[DontSayBanana]

To the extent there is a breach of law (e.g. corruption) or it involves e.g. public procurement procedures, yes. But not when there is essentially a commercial private dispute ("you sold us a shitty car") - this is what civil courts are for, not congressional hearings.

To the extent there is a breach of law, there's a question of whether Toyota has been acting in good faith in trying to achieve compliance with statutory safety regulations.  In terms of public procurement procedures, since Washington, D.C. doesn't have a state government, Congress has to act as an arbitrator in state concerns for the city like allocation of public funds.

Yi: Yes, Chevy and Ford are typically the fleet vehicles you see most often, but they're still done through bidding.  IIRC, congressmen and congresswomen typically are allocated a BMW 740iL "Protection" because it's one of the cheapest armored cars you can get.

[grumbler]

I very much doubt the US government has ever bought any Toyotas.

Why not?
In the EU, all big public contracts are open for all bidders, including e.g. Toyota. I know that the Germany Army bought over 1000 Nissan SUVs last year.

  The US government follows US, not EU, laws regarding procurement contracts.  What the German Army bought doesn't impact US government procurement at all.

[Faeelin]

Ford and GM saboteurs in Toyota plants. 

Is it time for nerve stapling?

[ulmont]

If your throttle is stuck, the emergency brake is going to blow your tire.  This happened to me when I had my emergency brake get stuck.

Not sure about that.  Your tire is only gong to blow out if the handbrake locks the wheel.  At high speeds, there most likely would not be enough power in the handbrake system to lock the wheel.

I don't think the wheel was ever locked, but it definitely blew out at about 50 mph.

[KRonn]

It seems in these more bizarre incidents, that the Toyota's electronics just took over. Car sped up greatly, and neither braking, shutting off the ignition, nor shifting out of a drive gear had much or any effect. That is pretty bizarre.

[Martinus]

I very much doubt the US government has ever bought any Toyotas.

Why not?
In the EU, all big public contracts are open for all bidders, including e.g. Toyota. I know that the Germany Army bought over 1000 Nissan SUVs last year.

  The US government follows US, not EU, laws regarding procurement contracts.  What the German Army bought doesn't impact US government procurement at all.

I promised myself to ignore your posts, but this post's idiocy exceeds even your usual standards. Are you fucking retarded?

[lustindarkness]

It seems in these more bizarre incidents, that the Toyota's electronics just took over. Car sped up greatly, and neither braking, shutting off the ignition, nor shifting out of a drive gear had much or any effect. That is pretty bizarre.

I Robot? 

My Toyota has not tried to kill me yet.