Clinton: Iran becoming ‘military dictatorship’

Started by jimmy olsen, February 15, 2010, 08:16:47 AM

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jimmy olsen

But isn't the Iranian Revolutionary Guard the tool that the Ayatolla uses to enforce his authority? :hmm:

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QuoteClinton: Iran becoming 'military dictatorship'
Revolutionary Guard is supplanting Tehran's government, she says

DOHA, Qatar - U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Monday that Iran is becoming a military dictatorship, a new U.S. accusation in the midst of rising tensions with Iran over its nuclear ambitions and crack down on anti-government protesters.

Speaking to Arab students at Carnegie Mellon's Doha campus, Clinton said Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps appears to have gained so much power that it effectively is supplanting the government.

"Iran is moving toward a military dictatorship," she said. "That is our view."
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Last week the U.S. Treasury Department announced that it was freezing the assets in U.S. jurisdictions of a Revolutionary Guard general and four subsidiaries of a previously penalized construction firm he runs because of their alleged involvement in producing and spreading weapons of mass destruction.

The Revolutionary Guard has long been a pillar of Iran's regime as a force separate from the ordinary armed forces. The Guard now has a hand in every critical area including missile development, oil resources, dam building, road construction, telecommunications and nuclear technology.

It also has absorbed the paramilitary Basij as a full-fledged part of its command structure — giving the militia greater funding and a stronger presence in Iran's internal politics.

'Serious negotiations'
In her Doha appearance, Clinton also said she foresees a possible breakthrough soon in stalled peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians.

"I'm hopeful that this year will see the commencement of serious negotiations that will cover every issue that is outstanding," she said, adding that "everyone is anticipating" progress after more than a year of impasse between the negotiating parties.

The peace talks broke down in late 2008 with Israel's incursion into Gaza, which had launched rocket attacks on Israeli targets.

Clinton spoke in an interview with the Al-Jazeera TV network before a live audience of mostly Arab students at Carnegie Mellon's Doha campus.

In remarks in the Qatari capital on Sunday, Clinton said she and the president are disappointed that the administration's efforts to restart Israeli-Palestinian peace talks had failed thus far.

A Carnegie Mellon audience member who identified himself as an Iranian expatriate asked Clinton if the U.S. would be present in Iraq if Iraq had no oil resources. She said the U.S. wants a normal relationship with the Iraqi government, regardless of its natural resources.

"When we leave Iraq, as has been agreed to, with our military — and we're on schedule to do that — we will hopefully have a relationship with Iraq as we have with any other country," she said. On Sunday she said the number of U.S. troops in Iraq had fallen this month below 100,000 and that the United States is on track to have all combat troops out of the country by the end of summer.

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Reflecting the extent of concern in the Persian Gulf region about a U.S. confrontation with Iran, another member of the audience asked Clinton about the outlook for improving relations with Tehran. Clinton reiterated the Obama's administration view that Iran has violated its international obligation to use nuclear technology only for peaceful purposes. And she regretted that Iran has not accepted U.S. offers of nuclear negotiations.

"Unfortunately, there has not been the kind of response that we had hope for from the Iranian leadership," she said.

Clinton makes a point of raising the topic of women and girls' rights whenever she travels abroad. In a speech Sunday to a forum on U.S.-Muslim relations, she stressed it in the context of U.S. support for nations seeking to build democratic institutions.

"As nations strive to build and strengthen governments that reflect the will of their people, grounded in their own traditions, they can count on the United States to be their partner," she said. "But the will of the people means the will of all the people, men and women. Women's rights are an issue of singular importance to me personally and as secretary of state."

She also cited the issue of violence against women, without mentioning any specific country.

"Even today, in 2010, women are still targets of violence," she said Sunday. "And all too often, religion might be used to justify it. But there is never a justification for violence against women. It is not cultural. It is criminal. And it is up to religious leaders to take a stand for women, to call for an end to honor killings, child marriages, domestic and gender-based violence."

Later Monday, Clinton was flying to Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, for a meeting with King Abdullah and a session with Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal.

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The Brain

Given that the civilian regime in Iran is completely insane a military regime doesn't sound very frightening.
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jimmy olsen

Quote from: The Brain on February 15, 2010, 12:24:04 PM
Given that the civilian regime in Iran is completely insane a military regime doesn't sound very frightening.
That's assuming the Iranian military, particularly the Revolutionary Guard, isn't as insane as the Civilian leadership. This seems to me a poor bet.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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Viking

First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

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Queequeg

In previous classes and readings, Iran has been described as a kind of "biarchy", like Russia between 1905 and the Bolshevik coup, with the National Government and the Religious Authoritarianism both playing their respective roles.  I think Clinton is arguing that the one-the Religious-has allied with this rising paramilitary force (itself allied with the President and certain other members of the Executive) to utterly subdue the non-Executive parts of the National Government.

That said, I don't think "military dictatorship" is totally satisfactory.  I don't think "coup" really worked for 2009 either, as the Mullahs always had power- they just suddenly weren't going to let the illusory power of the National Government grow too much in people's minds.  Probably most accurate to say that it is going from Mixed Authoritarianism to Burma with a sheen of clericalism.
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Grallon

Quote from: Ed Anger on February 15, 2010, 07:28:59 PM


It needs a good dose of Rads.



I'm starting to think that Hillary would have had the balls to do it where Obama doesn't.  And Oh wouldn't it have been sweet to see a women stick it to these medieval gothearders?!



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Queequeg

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Quote from: Viking on February 15, 2010, 07:26:15 PM
meh, Iran needs a solid dose of Kemalism.
Slaughtering Clerics just pushes the issue back a few generations; inevitably it'll come back up, with awkward results.  Open it up, and we'll be seeing nude beaches on the Caspian Sea and the Persian Gulf within a decade. 
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Queequeg

Quote from: Grallon on February 15, 2010, 07:32:13 PM
I'm starting to think that Hillary would have had the balls to do it where Obama doesn't.  And Oh wouldn't it have been sweet to see a women stick it to these medieval gothearders?!
G.
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Grallon

"Clearly, a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself."

~Jean-François Revel

Queequeg

Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Grallon

Quote from: Queequeg on February 15, 2010, 07:53:06 PM
Genocide fetish?


Might as well speak of genocide when one gets a gangrened limb amputated.



G.
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Neil

Quote from: Queequeg on February 15, 2010, 07:32:28 PM
Quote from: Viking on February 15, 2010, 07:26:15 PM
meh, Iran needs a solid dose of Kemalism.
Slaughtering Clerics just pushes the issue back a few generations; inevitably it'll come back up, with awkward results.  Open it up, and we'll be seeing nude beaches on the Caspian Sea and the Persian Gulf within a decade.
Yeah right.  You're the guy who believed in 'Hope and Change'.  Your judgement is compromised by your love for any culture that you feel is particularily exotic.
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jimmy olsen

Quote from: Grallon on February 15, 2010, 08:03:34 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on February 15, 2010, 07:53:06 PM
Genocide fetish?


Might as well speak of genocide when one gets a gangrened limb amputated.

G.
Do you try to emulate Hitler's style or does it come natural? I find it hard to believe you're not doing it on purpose.
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Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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Grallon

Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 15, 2010, 08:31:22 PM

Do you try to emulate Hitler's style or does it come natural? I find it hard to believe you're not doing it on purpose.


Hitler was stupid - targeting a segment of society that was well integrated, productive and profitable.  Of course they were a minority, an elite minority... It was thus all the more easier to point them out as profiteers and conspirators. 

Muslims on the other hand are generally a nuisance wherever you find them; they resist integration, insist on all sorts of special treatments and get offended very easily when refused such.  And when offended they have a tendency, Scriptures sanctioned, to dive into their death cult and start blowing shit up.

But let us wait the first muslim sponsored nuclear city burning event - and see how those like you react then.





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"Clearly, a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself."

~Jean-François Revel