Euro on the brink of collapse

[grumbler]

What a ridiculously alarmist headline. 

The more alarmist the headline, the more replies one gets. The internet is very simple that way.

The more alarmist and hysterical the headline is, the more scorn the original poster gets.

Should get, anyway.

But this is Timmay.  Not sure scorn for him could increase.  Disdain, yes.  Scorn, though?

[Ed Anger]

What a ridiculously alarmist headline. 

The more alarmist the headline, the more replies one gets. The internet is very simple that way.

The more alarmist and hysterical the headline is, the more scorn the original poster gets.

Should get, anyway.

But this is Timmay.  Not sure scorn for him could increase.  Disdain, yes.  Scorn, though?

I'm in "utter contempt" territory now.

[Josquius]

It's pretty amazing how ignorant Euros are of the geographic mobility of Americans!

All I can say, Tyr and Marti, is that you guys should really just stay silent on the topic until you know something about it. 

Americans generally don't move unless they need to move to find work.  If that is the case, moves generally are not "from some shit hole middle of the country state living in its equally irrelevant, unknown neighbour," because unlike (apparently) Britain, in the US economies are regional, and if there is a downturn in New Hampshire, it exists in Vermont as well.  So, moves are generally some distance.  And people who move to New York from Kentucky would not face significant social barriers, because a huge number of people already in New York are from places like Kentucky.  We don't have anything like the (apparent) Polack clannishness.

Don't take what I say as a sufficient introduction to consider yourselves experts on the topic, guys.  Learn a lot more before you post "information" on this topic (or topics about Americans generally, really).  Thanks. 

Please point out where I say I am an expert on America and am speaking the utmost truth. I quite clearly state I'm just having a little guess and would be interested in more details of where Amerians move to and from rather than just a blanket a third live outside of the state they were born.

That places like New York have people from everywhere is quite the given. But is there a big community of people from Louisianna in North Dakota and the like?
I really do think that if you're looking at people born out of state that ranking highly with many states would be their neighbours- its a lot easier to move two towns down the road and just barely over the state border than to start a new life at the other end of the country.  I can't think how to phrase this though to find such information though...birth state per state or somesuch gets nothing- I can find details for biggest foreign populations in states but not Americans.

[DGuller]

I know of a guy who moved from Massachusetts to Kentucky.  He's been forced to eat out of gas stations, and wear 2000+ year clothing and footwear on occasions, but otherwise seems to be coping well.

[DontSayBanana]

Please point out where I say I am an expert on America and am speaking the utmost truth. I quite clearly state I'm just having a little guess and would be interested in more details of where Amerians move to and from rather than just a blanket a third live outside of the state they were born.

That places like New York have people from everywhere is quite the given. But is there a big community of people from Louisianna in North Dakota and the like?
I really do think that if you're looking at people born out of state that ranking highly with many states would be their neighbours- its a lot easier to move two towns down the road and just barely over the state border than to start a new life at the other end of the country.  I can't think how to phrase this though to find such information though...birth state per state or somesuch gets nothing- I can find details for biggest foreign populations in states but not Americans.

I think you'll find more moving occurs between residences in the same town, mostly for affordability.  Work moves are typically further, such as my parents moving to cut out my dad's hour-and-a-half commute from just north of Philly to down here to work as a glassblower.

Inter-community, same-state moves seem to usually be either family life-oriented (newly-ex just kicked me out and I need to go somewhere) or trying to eliminate/cut down a commute to work.

Big, cross-multiple-state moves are either moving up the job ladder or someone with enough money returning to a childhood/fantasy community.

[grumbler]

Please point out where I say I am an expert on America and am speaking the utmost truth.

Strawman much?

I quite clearly state I'm just having a little guess and would be interested in more details of where Amerians move to and from rather than just a blanket a third live outside of the state they were born.

You quite clearly are not saying that at all in your earlier statement.  You quite clearly are aware that you have been caught out spouting absolute rubbish, and so want to recon your statement into a question.

That places like New York have people from everywhere is quite the given. But is there a big community of people from Louisianna in North Dakota and the like?

Sure, there are people born in Louisiana who live in North Dakota.  The people of the US don't form communities based around place of birth, though, so the Louisiana-born in North Dakota don't form a community, large or small.

I really do think that if you're looking at people born out of state that ranking highly with many states would be their neighbours- its a lot easier to move two towns down the road and just barely over the state border than to start a new life at the other end of the country.

So we are back to making statements again, after just claiming that you weren't? 

I am sure that there are more Maryland-born people in Virginia than Missouri-born, even though the states are similar-sized, because a Marylander may well find a cheaper house on the other side of the Potomac, and still work were he/she works in Maryland.  I am equally sure, though, that the vast majority of out-of-state-born in Virginia are not from states bordering Virginia (contrary to your assertions).

[Josquius]

Strawman much?

1: No, not really. That was your token surface point 'how dare you speak with authority about America when you know nothing about it', to quote you:

ll I can say, Tyr and Marti, is that you guys should really just stay silent on the topic until you know something about it. 

2: Strawman. I guessed it from your first post. You're just doing your typical little trolly thing to get into pointless arguments.

You quite clearly are not saying that at all in your earlier statement.  You quite clearly are aware that you have been caught out spouting absolute rubbish, and so want to recon your statement into a question.

You should know me by now. I don't give a crap about debate club 

I am sure that there are more Maryland-born people in Virginia than Missouri-born, even though the states are similar-sized, because a Marylander may well find a cheaper house on the other side of the Potomac, and still work were he/she works in Maryland.  I am equally sure, though, that the vast majority of out-of-state-born in Virginia are not from states bordering Virginia (contrary to your assertions).

Prove it then.
That's what I'm interested in knowing.
I said though I'd imagine this would be moreso with the less important states in the middle of the country than major states.

[Razgovory]

To be honest Tyr, there isn't a great difference between different states in the US.  It's not like each state has it's own several hundred years of history, or linguistic dialects (not like Europe's at least).  There are differences and people make a big deal about them, but when compared to Europe it's very small.  I suspect there are bigger regional differences in just England then there are in the US.  Only a few states feel really different.  Hawaii, and Alaska.  The rest of the country is remarkably homogenized.  Grumbler's lived all over the US (and in England I think), he probably knows better then me.

[sbr]

I'm willing to bet that a very significant number of Americans are living in a state that is not the one they were born in.

A bit of googling says it's about a third.

States aren't quite the same as countries though, I'd imagine much of this moving is someone from some shit hole middle of the country state living in its equally irrelevant, unknown neighbour.
A good comparison I'd like to see is using some groupings of states- maybe those typical ones you get where it categorises them into groups such as New England, the South, Pacifica, the empty zone, etc...

The US population is moving south and west in droves.

This link was the first to come up and it has fun little maps and charts

http://pewsocialtrends.org/maps/migration/

[garbon]

To be honest Tyr, there isn't a great difference between different states in the US.  It's not like each state has it's own several hundred years of history, or linguistic dialects (not like Europe's at least).  There are differences and people make a big deal about them, but when compared to Europe it's very small.  I suspect there are bigger regional differences in just England then there are in the US.  Only a few states feel really different.  Hawaii, and Alaska.  The rest of the country is remarkably homogenized.  Grumbler's lived all over the US (and in England I think), he probably knows better then me.

That said. California.

[Ed Anger]

At certain members (you know who the fuck you are):

[Razgovory]

Ed, there's anime in there.

[Ed Anger]

Ed, there's anime in there.

I don't care. The goddamn retardation must be responded to.

I'm prepared to escalate to Defcon 1

[MadImmortalMan]

Good lord. The misconceptions some people have.

[Agelastus]

In hindsight, wasn't it kind of dumb to institute one currency over a bunch of economies whose needs may be in conflict with each other?

So far the advantages seem to outweigh the disadvantages for everyone involved.

Now, I freely admit I am heavily biased against the Euro, due to my (to create a quote for Europhiles) "puerile nationalism", but I would think that the citizens of Greece and Ireland would disagree with you. While "death spiral" is an exagerration, the Euro is one of the major factors in the strangulation of their economies at the moment.

I don't know enough about the situation in the other European countries listed in the article to comment on them.

And since it was known when the Euro was founded that Greece was a basket case, I have no sympathy for the Eurozone members. If I recall correctly, they fiddled the entry criteria to let Greece in from the start.

The one thing I do hope is that Britain doesn't have to spend billions propping up Greece's membership in the Euro, since we are not a member of the "Eurozone". Gordon Brown is being VERY cagey about exactly what was discussed, probably because he knows if we do end up paying that could very well be the final nail in his coffin.