WWII tank Duel

[Razgovory]

I found this on the net the other day I thought I'd share it.  Some of you have probably already seen it.  But meh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qfHgoSTm48&feature=related  It seems to be fairly raw footage of the battle of Cologne.

It is hard to tell what is going on.  I later found this .

http://www.anicursor.com/colpicwar2.html  in which some research is done on the tank battle in the film.  I disagree with one part of his analysis where he disagrees with the official report because he doesn't think it's realistic behavior for a tank crew.  Under a very high stress environment it's difficult to judge what anyone will do.  Besides that it seems well researched.

The way the battle plays out reminds me alot of how I played Combat mission which I suppose is to credit on how realistic that game is.

There are other videos of this same incident with narration, but the first one I found was raw footage and sat around trying to judge what was going on.  Which I thought was interesting.

Anyway I hope you guys find this as interesting as I did.

[grumbler]

I found this on the net the other day I thought I'd share it.  Some of you have probably already seen it.  But meh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qfHgoSTm48&feature=related  It seems to be fairly raw footage of the battle of Cologne.

It is hard to tell what is going on.  I later found this .

http://www.anicursor.com/colpicwar2.html  in which some research is done on the tank battle in the film.  I disagree with one part of his analysis where he disagrees with the official report because he doesn't think it's realistic behavior for a tank crew.  Under a very high stress environment it's difficult to judge what anyone will do.  Besides that it seems well researched.

The way the battle plays out reminds me alot of how I played Combat mission which I suppose is to credit on how realistic that game is.

There are other videos of this same incident with narration, but the first one I found was raw footage and sat around trying to judge what was going on.  Which I thought was interesting.

Anyway I hope you guys find this as interesting as I did.

Not sure what you are seeing as "the official report" claiming anything.  I think it is quite reasonable to assume that the Sherman that was hit didn't know the Panther was there.  Whether other troops had seen the Panther at that point is moot as far as the Sherman is concerned.

Interesting film, though.  No question about that.

[Josephus]

Yeah...enjoyed that. Thanks

Loved seeing that cathedral. I've seen it in real life and when you see it in historical, war footage, it brings it all closer to home, in a weird way...know what I mean? It's amazing it never came down during the war, I've read it was hit by over 70 bombs.

[dps]

I found this on the net the other day I thought I'd share it.  Some of you have probably already seen it.  But meh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qfHgoSTm48&feature=related  It seems to be fairly raw footage of the battle of Cologne.

It is hard to tell what is going on.  I later found this .

http://www.anicursor.com/colpicwar2.html  in which some research is done on the tank battle in the film.  I disagree with one part of his analysis where he disagrees with the official report because he doesn't think it's realistic behavior for a tank crew.  Under a very high stress environment it's difficult to judge what anyone will do.  Besides that it seems well researched.

The way the battle plays out reminds me alot of how I played Combat mission which I suppose is to credit on how realistic that game is.

There are other videos of this same incident with narration, but the first one I found was raw footage and sat around trying to judge what was going on.  Which I thought was interesting.

Anyway I hope you guys find this as interesting as I did.

Not sure what you are seeing as "the official report" claiming anything.  I think it is quite reasonable to assume that the Sherman that was hit didn't know the Panther was there.  Whether other troops had seen the Panther at that point is moot as far as the Sherman is concerned.

And unless I missed something, I didn't see anything where he stated that the behavior of the tank crew was unrealistic, either.

[Warspite]

Yeah...enjoyed that. Thanks

Loved seeing that cathedral. I've seen it in real life and when you see it in historical, war footage, it brings it all closer to home, in a weird way...know what I mean? It's amazing it never came down during the war, I've read it was hit by over 70 bombs.

As amazing as the cathedral was, seeing the rest of Cologne really got across how thorough a job Bomber Command did.

[Razgovory]

I found this on the net the other day I thought I'd share it.  Some of you have probably already seen it.  But meh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qfHgoSTm48&feature=related  It seems to be fairly raw footage of the battle of Cologne.

It is hard to tell what is going on.  I later found this .

http://www.anicursor.com/colpicwar2.html  in which some research is done on the tank battle in the film.  I disagree with one part of his analysis where he disagrees with the official report because he doesn't think it's realistic behavior for a tank crew.  Under a very high stress environment it's difficult to judge what anyone will do.  Besides that it seems well researched.

The way the battle plays out reminds me alot of how I played Combat mission which I suppose is to credit on how realistic that game is.

There are other videos of this same incident with narration, but the first one I found was raw footage and sat around trying to judge what was going on.  Which I thought was interesting.

Anyway I hope you guys find this as interesting as I did.

Not sure what you are seeing as "the official report" claiming anything.  I think it is quite reasonable to assume that the Sherman that was hit didn't know the Panther was there.  Whether other troops had seen the Panther at that point is moot as far as the Sherman is concerned.

And unless I missed something, I didn't see anything where he stated that the behavior of the tank crew was unrealistic, either.

I was referring to this

When the Panther had shot he probably was located in or near the dark tunnel (white arrow) and the US troops were not able to see it there before. The red point is the place where the Sherman was located - distance tunnel / Sherman: 340 m / 1.115 ft.. After the hit the Panther was driving to the crossing Marzellenstrasse where he later was destroyed (distance Panther there / Sherman: 120 m / 395 ft.. There are records saying the Panther was already located at the crossing when the Sherman reached Komödienstrasse and they thought it was knocked out. But this seems to be unrealistic. Tank crews typically will not take it for granted that a tank in no mans land would be knocked out. They would shoot at it until it burned, which is what the Sherman crew would have done if the Panther was in sight on the crossing Marzellenstrasse. Following several sources the German tank Mark V (Panther) Ausf. A was from 9. Pz.Div., II. / Pz.Rgt. 33.

[Strix]

It was odd that the Sherman didn't fireball.

[PDH]

It was odd that the Sherman didn't fireball.

Not EVERY Sherman brewed up on the first hit. Contrary to rumors, a good number of them simply did not burn as every crew member was killed by whizzing shrapnel as the 75mm and 88mm rounds passed through them.

[Ed Anger]

I came when the Panther burned.

[grumbler]

It was odd that the Sherman didn't fireball.

The Sherman had adequate ammo storage by this point in the war.

[alfred russel]

Well, that was depressing.

[Strix]

I need to find the cool footage that was shown on the History Channel showing a fight between three Panthers and an M18 Hell Cat Tank Destroyer.

Basically the three Panthers were grouped outside of a few destroyed buildings supporting some German infantry which had dug into the debris out front. The M18 came up behind the Panthers on the east side and pretty much took the cupola off one of the Panthers. It than reversed and went around the buildings to the west. By the time the Panthers got their turrets turned it came up behind the last two from behind to the west and shot another one from behind. The footage ended with the last tank fleeing in reverse so that it's frontal armor faced towards were the M18 was operating with all the infantry running helterskelter along side it. It was cool.

[Siege]

Well, that was depressing.

What? War scares you?

Don't worry. There is always some dumbass loser willing to fight and die for you, for one reason or another.

Real men stay home taking care of their families.

[derspiess]

I came when the Panther burned.

  What a waste of such a beautiful tank.

[Razgovory]

I came when the Panther burned.

  What a waste of such a beautiful tank.

Hey, it got better.  They burned the nazis out of it.