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Started by CountDeMoney, January 29, 2010, 12:07:55 AM

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QuoteLawmaker wants 'DUI' license plates for repeat offenders

There are several tip-offs that a driver might be drunk: swerving, traveling the wrong way on a street, pulling out of a bar late at night.

And a Prince George's County lawmaker wants to add one more. He says the state should replace license plates of repeat drunken drivers with bright yellow tags that read "DUI."

"Displaying the special license plates will give people some understanding of who they are sharing the roadways with," Marvin E. Holmes Jr., a Democrat, said at a hearing on his bill Thursday.

The legislation would require the yellow plates for five years for anyone convicted of drunken driving three times. There are 2,029 drivers in the state who currently fit that description, he said.

Similar legislation has been introduced in the General Assembly twice before and failed -- but this year the measure has a new backer. Del. Herman L. Taylor Jr., a Montgomery County Democrat who pushed for drunken-driving plates in past years, was convicted a year ago of drunken driving. He is not a co-sponsor of Holmes' bill this year.

Other states have been adopting similar rules, said Joseph C. Green Jr., who called the idea "a growing trend" in his testimony on behalf of AAA Mid-Atlantic in support of the bill.

In Minnesota, "W" license plates -- perhaps for "watch out" -- are issued to people convicted of drunken driving, driving without insurance or a license, and failing to pay not paying a large number of parking tickets.

In those states and others with similar rules, drivers tend to give a wide berth to any vehicle bearing the plates. Holmes saw that firsthand on a recent trip to Ohio, when he was "amazed" by how much space other drivers on the highway gave one drunk-tagged vehicle.

Ohio judges have discretion to require the plates. Currently, 4,149 vehicles bear such plates, said Lindsey Bohrer, a spokeswoman for Ohio's Motor Vehicle Administration.

Lawmakers in Ohio also unsuccessfully pushed for pink license plates for child predators.


But there have been problems with drunken-driving tags. Legislation failed in Arkansas three years ago as lawmakers worried about the effect plates would have on innocent passengers in the vehicles. In Oregon, a rule requiring drunken drivers to have a stickers on their tags failed because drivers would peel them off, Holmes said.

Some members of the House panel expressed skepticism. Del. Michael D. Smigiel, a Southern Maryland Republican, compared the concept to a "scarlet letter" and worried that it would create a stigma for members of a households who share a vehicle with a convicted drunk driver.

"Why is somebody with three drunk driving convictions driving at all?" Smigiel asked.

Del. Tony McConkey, an Anne Arundel County Republican, wondered if the plates would have any real effect in preventing drunken driving and asked why the state shouldn't not just require an ignition interlock device that would test the driver's breath for alcohol.

Holmes responded: "This would be an additional tool in the toolbox."

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Barrister

I honestly can not see how this helps.

And I have run more drunk driving trials than I can count.  I have another one tomorrow.
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Razgovory

Quote from: Barrister on January 29, 2010, 12:14:14 AM
I honestly can not see how this helps.

And I have run more drunk driving trials than I can count.  I have another one tomorrow.

What is your solution Mr. Law?
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Barrister

Quote from: Razgovory on January 29, 2010, 12:17:30 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 29, 2010, 12:14:14 AM
I honestly can not see how this helps.

And I have run more drunk driving trials than I can count.  I have another one tomorrow.

What is your solution Mr. Law?

Will depend on your local jurisdiction of course, but I'd like to see the police have the right to demand anyone found operating a motor vehicle to give a full breath sample for analysis, no questions asked, no "probable cause" or "reasonable and probable grounds" needed.
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

Jaron

Quote from: Barrister on January 29, 2010, 12:22:25 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 29, 2010, 12:17:30 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 29, 2010, 12:14:14 AM
I honestly can not see how this helps.

And I have run more drunk driving trials than I can count.  I have another one tomorrow.

What is your solution Mr. Law?

Will depend on your local jurisdiction of course, but I'd like to see the police have the right to demand anyone found operating a motor vehicle to give a full breath sample for analysis, no questions asked, no "probable cause" or "reasonable and probable grounds" needed.

How would that help?
Winner of THE grumbler point.

derspiess

Quote from: Jaron on January 29, 2010, 12:29:09 AM
How would that help?

It would help the police needlessly harass people, without any recourse.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Barrister

Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

Jaron

I'm not comfortable with giving the state any authority to demand anything from the citizenry without any justifiable reason.
Winner of THE grumbler point.

C.C.R.

Quote from: Barrister on January 29, 2010, 12:22:25 AM
Will depend on your local jurisdiction of course, but I'd like to see the police have the right to demand anyone found operating a motor vehicle to give a full breath sample for analysis, no questions asked, no "probable cause" or "reasonable and probable grounds" needed.

Wow.  I mean, wow.

I would almost literally support crucifying multiple drunk driving offenders, but I'd at least want them to have the benefit of Due Process first...

Fate

Quote from: Barrister on January 29, 2010, 12:14:14 AM
I honestly can not see how this helps.

And I have run more drunk driving trials than I can count.  I have another one tomorrow.
:huh:
Public shame is effective.

I'm surprised this hasn't caught on. I bet you could get a similar law passed in southern states advertising that you're a sex offender on your license plate.

Barrister

Quote from: C.C.R. on January 29, 2010, 01:21:36 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 29, 2010, 12:22:25 AM
Will depend on your local jurisdiction of course, but I'd like to see the police have the right to demand anyone found operating a motor vehicle to give a full breath sample for analysis, no questions asked, no "probable cause" or "reasonable and probable grounds" needed.

Wow.  I mean, wow.

I would almost literally support crucifying multiple drunk driving offenders, but I'd at least want them to have the benefit of Due Process first...

Due process comes in court.  No need for it at roadside.   :)

This is not actually that big an inconvenience.  Depending on how far away the Intoxilyzer (or whatever local police use) is, it could take 30 minutes.  It is fast and accurate.
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Jacob

Quote from: Barrister on January 29, 2010, 12:14:14 AM
I honestly can not see how this helps.

And I have run more drunk driving trials than I can count.  I have another one tomorrow.

It's not about helping.  It's about public shaming and feeling better than other people by humiliating them.

Barrister

oh.  Well in that case that's a marvelous idea.
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

Zanza

Quote from: Barrister on January 29, 2010, 12:22:25 AMWill depend on your local jurisdiction of course, but I'd like to see the police have the right to demand anyone found operating a motor vehicle to give a full breath sample for analysis, no questions asked, no "probable cause" or "reasonable and probable grounds" needed.
Welcome to Europe.  :P