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Started by jimmy olsen, January 25, 2010, 10:59:08 PM

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jimmy olsen

Good luck with that Obama, you're gonna need it.

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QuoteBudget Freeze Is Proposed
White House Plan Applies to Only 17% of Spending; Small Impact on Deficit


By LAURA MECKLER And JONATHAN WEISMAN

WASHINGTON—President Barack Obama intends to propose a three-year freeze in spending that accounts for one-sixth of the federal budget—a move meant to quell rising concern over the deficit but whose practical impact will be muted.

To attack the $1.4 trillion deficit, the White House will propose limits on discretionary spending unrelated to the military, veterans, homeland security and international affairs, according to senior administration officials. Also untouched are big entitlement programs such as Social Security and Medicare.

The freeze would affect $447 billion in spending, or 17% of the total federal budget, and would likely be overtaken by growth in the untouched areas of discretionary spending. It's designed to save $250 billion over the coming decade, compared with what would have been spent had this area been allowed to rise along with inflation.

The administration officials said the cap won't be imposed across the board. Some areas would see cuts while others, including education and investments related to job creation, would realize increases.

Among the areas that may be potentially subject to cuts: the departments of Housing and Urban Development, Justice, Energy, Transportation, Agriculture, and Health and Human Services.

"We're not here to tell you we've solved the deficit, but you have to take steps to put spending under control," a senior administration official said.

The spending freeze, which is expected to be included in Wednesday's State of the Union address and the president's Feb. 1 budget proposal, is one of a series of small-scale initiatives the White House is unrolling as the president adjusts to a more hostile political terrain in his second year. On Monday, the president unveiled a set of proposals aimed at making child care, college and elder care more affordable.

"Given Washington Democrats' unprecedented spending binge, this is like announcing you're going on a diet after winning a pie-eating contest," said Michael Steel, spokesman for House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R., Ohio). "Will the budget still double the debt over five years and triple it over 10? That's the bottom line."

Responding to criticism, administration officials acknowledged the freeze is directed at only a small part of overall spending, but that fiscal discipline has to start somewhere. President Obama had requested a 7.3% increase last year in the areas he now seeks to freeze. White House officials said they had achieved 60% of the $11.5 billion in cuts outlined in the budget for the current fiscal year.

Mr. Obama will also propose the creation of a deficit commission to look for potential solutions for the medium- and long-term deficit—a move to garner bipartisan support for what may be unpopular tax increases and spending cuts. A bipartisan group of senators has been trying to get such a commission passed into law in a way that would give teeth to its recommendations. The recommendations of any presidential panel would require congressional approval.

The budget proposal will be welcomed in some quarters. On Monday, four members of the Democratic Party's Blue Dog caucus, which favors fiscal discipline, wrote to Mr. Obama suggesting he implement a freeze much like the one he plans. "More will need to be done to get our fiscal house in order, but we believe this freeze in non-defense related discretionary spending is a good place to begin," they wrote.

John Makin, an economist at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, called the effort "certainly a step in the right direction." He said the amount saved isn't large, but noted that he preferred this approach over raising taxes. "I'm not going to belittle it because it's not a big cut in spending."

A year after the White House rolled out ambitious initiatives on health care and energy, in addition to a giant economic stimulus plan, the president is in some respects taking smaller steps. That's partly because much of the 2009 agenda remains undone. Also, in an election year, members of Congress are typically reluctant to take on controversial proposals.

But the president said Monday that he remains committed to tackling health care and other big problems. "I'd rather be a really good one-term president than a mediocre two-term president," he told ABC News.

He faces tough dynamics. Mr. Obama and his party are bracing for losses in this fall's election amid lower approval ratings and after a damaging loss in a Massachusetts special Senate election. The president has already shifted to a more populist tone aimed at convincing independent voters in particular that he is on their side.

"We're going to keep fighting to rebuild our economy so that hard work is once again rewarded, wages and incomes are once again rising, and the middle class is once again growing," Mr. Obama said in unveiling his new proposals Monday.

That message will likely be broadcast on Wednesday, when Mr. Obama delivers his State of the Union address to Congress. Aides say he'll use the domestic-policy section to focus on jobs, the budget deficit and ways to reform the way Washington works.

The big-ticket legislative items from last year may wind up on the back burner. The president has suggested Congress might significantly scale back its health-care legislation after the party lost its 60-vote Senate super-majority.

And on energy, following last year's proposal to fight global warming by requiring companies pay for the right to emit greenhouse gases, Democrats concede it is more likely that Congress will approve a scaled-back bill with subsidies and more modest rules.

White House officials say they will continue to push their 2009 goals. "We are not trimming the sails on the major policy initiatives, but we are at a different stage where the focus is on moving forward [on existing initiatives] not announcing a new policy," said one White House adviser.

Many Republicans argue Mr. Obama tried to do too much. "In my view, the president struggled in his first year not only because his agenda veered too far left, but because he took too many big bites out of too many apples and tried to swallow them all at once," Sen. Lamar Alexander (R., Tenn.) said on the Senate floor Monday.

On Monday, the president and Vice President Joe Biden announced a handful of modest proposals aimed at supporting middle-class families, the result, they said, of a task force led by Mr. Biden. They said the budget will include an additional $1.6 billion for low-income child-care subsidies, and that they would ask Congress to sweeten a child-care tax credit with more generous help for families earning up to $115,000.

Administration officials wouldn't say how much the extra tax breaks would cost, or how they would pay for them. The plan also includes new limits for people repaying student loans, capping repayments at 10% of discretionary income, at a cost of $7.5 billion over 10 years, and $102.5 million for help with elder care.

Write to Laura Meckler at [email protected] and Jonathan Weisman at [email protected]
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Valmy

Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 25, 2010, 10:59:08 PM
Good luck with that Obama, you're gonna need it.

Interesting to see how the suddenly budget concious congress responds to this.  Color me cynical.
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Fate

He's joining minority leader blowhard on a Republican weekend retreat.

Impeach the son of a bitch!   :hmm:

Monoriu

Best way to cut the decifit is to cut civil service pay across the board, and to stop hiring them no matter what  :ph34r:

DontSayBanana

Quote from: Monoriu on January 25, 2010, 11:41:14 PM
Best way to cut the decifit is to cut civil service pay across the board, and to stop hiring them no matter what  :ph34r:

IIRC, pay cuts are tricky.  I dunno about the federal government, but I know NJ institutes hiring freezes from time to time, though.
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Monoriu

We use the legislative process to effect the pay cuts.  This has stopped law suits.

jimmy olsen

Quote from: Monoriu on January 25, 2010, 11:41:14 PM
Best way to cut the decifit is to cut civil service pay across the board, and to stop hiring them no matter what  :ph34r:
Peanuts compared to the real big ticket items.
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Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
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Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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Monoriu

Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 26, 2010, 01:06:11 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on January 25, 2010, 11:41:14 PM
Best way to cut the decifit is to cut civil service pay across the board, and to stop hiring them no matter what  :ph34r:
Peanuts compared to the real big ticket items.

I find it hard to believe that personnel costs are insignificant in the US federal government.  In the HK government, they account for 70% of recurrent expenditure. 

HisMajestyBOB

Quote from: Monoriu on January 25, 2010, 11:41:14 PM
Best way to cut the decifit is to cut civil service pay across the board, and to stop hiring them no matter what  :ph34r:

The civil service pay is already low compared to the private sector. Which is why our best and brightest go into business, and our half-sentient neanderthals work for TSA.
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Monoriu

Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on January 26, 2010, 01:14:00 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on January 25, 2010, 11:41:14 PM
Best way to cut the decifit is to cut civil service pay across the board, and to stop hiring them no matter what  :ph34r:

The civil service pay is already low compared to the private sector. Which is why our best and brightest go into business, and our half-sentient neanderthals work for TSA.

But job security is far higher in the civil service.  You can retain people even with a lower salary.

Fate

Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 26, 2010, 01:06:11 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on January 25, 2010, 11:41:14 PM
Best way to cut the decifit is to cut civil service pay across the board, and to stop hiring them no matter what  :ph34r:
Peanuts compared to the real big ticket items.

Yeah, that's health care. Congratulations on making it another Waterloo!


MadBurgerMaker

Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on January 26, 2010, 01:14:00 AM
The civil service pay is already low compared to the private sector. Which is why our best and brightest go into business, and our half-sentient neanderthals work for TSA.

Those TSA dudes might be on to something though.  They get government benefits and paychecks to just fuck with random people all day, and no one expects anything above utter stupidity out of them.

citizen k

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 26, 2010, 02:20:27 AM
Those TSA dudes might be on to something though.  They get government benefits and paychecks to just fuck with random people all day, and no one expects anything above utter stupidity out of them.

Feel good TSA story of the day:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/lexington/2010/01/hilarious_bag-screener_plants_white_powder_bag_joke


MadBurgerMaker

Quote from: citizen k on January 26, 2010, 02:22:59 AM
Feel good TSA story of the day:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/lexington/2010/01/hilarious_bag-screener_plants_white_powder_bag_joke

:XD:  Yeah, I saw that one the other day, and figured if things ever got really bad for me, at least I can always fall back on a TSA job because holy shit they'll obviously take anyone.

Hansmeister

Since Obama has previously increased non-defense discretionary spending by 24 percent since he took office (not counting the "stimulus" bill) this is hardly a return to fiscal sanity.  Even if he were to keep his pledge (and let's face it, when has he ever kept a pledge?), he would still have presided over a record increase in discretionary spending.