Prominent Polish bishop: Shoah is a Jewish invention

[Martinus]

Bishop Pieronek, one of the most prominent Polish catholic church personalities, has given an interview to an Italian newspaper. So far I have an article about it only in Polish but I expect it to make waves internationally. So here are just snippets from the interview - you heard it here first folks:

"Shoah is a Jewish invention, you could just as well say similar things about and commemorate numerous victims of communism, persecuted catholics and christians."

"However, Jews have good PR, because they have immense financial means, great power and unconditional support of the US, which leads to a certain arrogance, that I consider unbearable."

"Memory of Holocaust is instrumentally exploited as a propaganda tool to get unwarranted benefits."

"I repeat, from a historical perspective it is not true that only Jews days in death camps, but this is completely ignored today."

"Palestinians are victims of injustice at the hands of Israelis."

"Palestinians are being treated like animals and their rights are violated. But this is not being talked about, because of international lobby groups. They should make a day to commemorate them as well. Of course all of this does not deny the shame of concentration camps and aberrations of nazism."

"Information about alleged Polish antisemitism are spread by people who do not know history."

For the record this is a guy considered to be a "liberal" part of the church (the "conservative" part thinks the EU is run by Jews and freemasons).

I just wanted to post it for the sake of all the idiots who think I am prejudiced against catholics.

[Tamas]

 

Speaking of freemasons, I think they are actually a pretty good example of how ignorant people can't comprehend what they see.
Most notably the fact that several of the Founding Fathers were (allegedly) freemasons, the plebs scream "omg conspiracy!" whereas in fact it is probably much simpler: the freemasons were a quite modern organization in terms of their various views including religions. It is no wonder that bright people with desires for reform seeked like-minded company and they found it among the masons.
It is probably the eqvuivalent of seeking conspiracy within wargaming clubs  and the like nowadays.

[Syt]

"I repeat, from a historical perspective it is not true that only Jews days in death camps, but this is completely ignored today."

The only point that he makes that has some validity.

[Viking]

"Palestinians are being treated like animals and their rights are violated.

What I want to know is why is it that when I searched for "Israel Humane Society" my google-wiki suggestion was "Christopher Hitchens".

hmm.. Maybe the Israelis are treating the Palestinians worse than animals... Most definitively so if they are sicking Hitchens on them.

[Martinus]

"I repeat, from a historical perspective it is not true that only Jews days in death camps, but this is completely ignored today."

The only point that he makes that has some validity.

He is now saying that his words were manipulated and that was the only point he was making throughout the article, but the journalist took it out of context with his other quotes.

Still, I'm waiting for the shitstorm. 

[Tamas]

In the meantime, our nazi party has a pretty good chance of finishing 2nd in the parlaimentary elections this April. 

[syk]

In the meantime, our nazi party has a pretty good chance of finishing 2nd in the parlaimentary elections this April. 

What's that in %?

[Josquius]

Speaking of freemasons, I think they are actually a pretty good example of how ignorant people can't comprehend what they see.
Most notably the fact that several of the Founding Fathers were (allegedly) freemasons, the plebs scream "omg conspiracy!" whereas in fact it is probably much simpler: the freemasons were a quite modern organization in terms of their various views including religions. It is no wonder that bright people with desires for reform seeked like-minded company and they found it among the masons.
It is probably the eqvuivalent of seeking conspiracy within wargaming clubs  and the like nowadays.

Bilderberg.
That stuff is just
My conspiracy theorist friend is always going on about it to me; 'Obama was there, Brown was there. Its all the powerful people in the world. If you're a member of the secret society they'll make you powerful'
'err....I think its the other way around, if you're powerful you get to go to the meeting...'
'NOOO! Its a conspiracy! You're stupid! They're all powerful because they're members!'

[Razgovory]

I just wanted to post it for the sake of all the idiots who think I am prejudiced against catholics.

How does this disabuse us of this notion?

[Alatriste]

Marty, that's par for the course with bishops these days.

For example, one of our bishops, fresh from Rome, declared this merely hours after Haiti's earthquake

"There are bigger evils than those suffered by poor Haitians these days... the ones we are suffering are perhaps bigger than those innocents' pains... We should shed tears too for ourselves, for our poor spiritual situation, for our materialistic conception of life".

"Existen males mayores que los que esos pobres de Haití están sufriendo estos días", sentenció monseñor Munilla. "Quizás es un mal más grande el que nosotros estamos padeciendo que el que esos inocentes también están sufriendo (...) También deberíamos llorar por nosotros, por nuestra pobre situación espiritual, por nuestra concepción materialista de vida".

And the worse part is, he apparently couldn't understand why so many persons found his attitude and his comparison offensive!

The least that can be said IMHO is, a charitable man, a true Christian, would have thought only of how to aid the Haitians. Instead of that our good bishop immediately tried to spin the news for his own ends. Oh, alas for poor Europeans, shaken by such a terrible spiritual earthquake.... And Haiti? Who gives a damn about 100,000 deaths? God will know His own, as another bishop said in a famous and bloody occasion...

[Razgovory]

"There are bigger evils than those suffered by poor Haitians these days... the ones we are suffering are perhaps bigger than those innocents' pains... We should shed tears too for ourselves, for our poor spiritual situation, for our materialistic conception of life".

I see nothing wrong with this.

[Tamas]

In the meantime, our nazi party has a pretty good chance of finishing 2nd in the parlaimentary elections this April. 

What's that in %?

about 15% or so. they are on par with the currently governing socialists.

edit: the sure winners are the moderate-right-populists

[grumbler]

Shoah is a Jewish invention?  Well, duh!    Next, Marti will have a thread complaining about a Warsaw politician claiming that mazel tov is a Jewish invention, too.  Then, a Lodz plumber will not the same of shalom, and Marti will post  to tell us he is awaiting the shitstorm on that one.

[Valmy]

"I repeat, from a historical perspective it is not true that only Jews days in death camps, but this is completely ignored today."

The only point that he makes that has some validity.

Does it?  People mention that all the time.  Maybe it doesn't get as much coverage as he would like but anybody who is interested in the Holocaust at all knows that.  It is hardly "completely ignored" it is rather "not ignored at all" except by those who are too lazy to care that much about the Holocaust.

[Valmy]

"Palestinians are victims of injustice at the hands of Israelis."

"Palestinians are being treated like animals and their rights are violated. But this is not being talked about, because of international lobby groups."

And only the Israelis.  Best to blame the Jews and ignore unfortunate facts like how Egypt walls Gaza off and throws away the key...