Stocks and Trading Thread - Channeling your inner Mono

Started by MadImmortalMan, December 21, 2009, 04:32:41 AM

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Admiral Yi


Tamas

So perhaps those who absolutely had to get out of GME shorts to save their bonuses have done so.

Sheilbh

The modern Republican party really is a sight to behold:
Let's bomb Russia!

crazy canuck

In the Congressman's defense it is not far off what AF posted in this thread.

Tamas

Is it true some finance people interviewed are calling Reddit the  "deep web" and claiming the wsb people are MAGA supporters?  :lol:

HVC

Robinhood app is not available in my area? Never checked before today so I don't know if it's not available in Canada, or if apple took it down.
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alfred russel

Quote from: crazy canuck on January 28, 2021, 06:20:32 PM
In the Congressman's defense it is not far off what AF posted in this thread.

I have no clue what you are talking about. I don't catch any relation between the congressman shilling his website's promotion and anything I posted here.
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The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 28, 2021, 04:15:30 PM
AOC has called for an investigation of brokers who blocked purchases.

Joined by Donald Trump Jr. and Ted Cruz.

My first thought is that the brokers overstepped by cutting off their own clients, but I'm not sure i want to join this coalition.

Yi questions - 1) yes typically a marketmaker will take the other side of a transaction, to the extent the firm has net exposure one way or another they will hedge. 
2) I'm not sure this is vendetta, I think the reddit investors are looking to make $ by forcing the squeeze
3) Over rehypothication is problematic because in a crisis event collateral that is supposed to there has already been moved and lent out, perhaps multiple times.  This was one of the problems that manifested in the 08 crisis which led the SEC to put some limits on it - but arguably not enough.
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 29, 2021, 01:29:44 AM
3) Over rehypothication is problematic because in a crisis event collateral that is supposed to there has already been moved and lent out, perhaps multiple times.  This was one of the problems that manifested in the 08 crisis which led the SEC to put some limits on it - but arguably not enough.

But isn't that a problem with rehypothecation rather than with shorting +100% of the float?

Tonitrus

Quote from: Sheilbh on January 28, 2021, 06:08:19 PM
The modern Republican party really is a sight to behold:


That they put the QAnon lady on the committee responsible for education is certainly the best(worst) example of how far they've sunk.

Josquius

Gamestop back in the 400s with pre-market buzz. I noticed in Trading 212 the buy button isn't locked anymore.
No intention to buy anymore myself, that's gamblers stuff, shall be aiming to sell up at some point, but looks to be an interesting day ahead. Today is the day shorts are meant to hit the end of the road and have to buy.
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Tyr on January 29, 2021, 06:40:40 AM
Today is the day shorts are meant to hit the end of the road and have to buy.

I think you're still confusing short selling and put options.

Syt

Stephen Colbert roughly explains the GameStop stuff: https://youtu.be/AfK9sb9RQ3s

(after a summary of Marjorie Taylor Greene's craziness)
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—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

garbon

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 29, 2021, 01:29:44 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 28, 2021, 04:15:30 PM
AOC has called for an investigation of brokers who blocked purchases.

Joined by Donald Trump Jr. and Ted Cruz.

My first thought is that the brokers overstepped by cutting off their own clients, but I'm not sure i want to join this coalition.

I don't think you need to worry about this as a coalition.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/28/aoc-ted-cruz-gamestop-twitter-capitol

QuoteOcasio-Cortez rejects support from Ted Cruz: 'You almost had me murdered'

The Democratic representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has rejected a message of support from Ted Cruz, adding the Texas senator "almost had me murdered three weeks ago".

Cruz on Thursday had endorsed Ocasio-Cortez's call on Twitter for a congressional hearing about the decision by the online trading platform Robinhood to restrict trading in GameStop shares. But while welcoming the chance to work across party lines on the issue, Ocasio-Cortez had harsh words for Cruz.

"I am happy to work with Republicans on this issue where there's common ground, but you almost had me murdered 3 weeks ago so you can sit this one out," Ocasio-Cortez tweeted. "Happy to work w/ almost any other GOP that aren't trying to get me killed. In the meantime if you want to help, you can resign."

"While you conveniently talk about 'moving on', a second Capitol police officer lost their life yesterday in the still-raging aftermath of the attacks you had a role in," she said. "This isn't a joke. We need accountability, and that includes a new senator from Texas."

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garbon

When I see articles like this (on game/entertainment sites even), I get worried those elements of frustration (and the sense that nothing really matters) on the right and their manifestations in society in general.

https://kotaku.com/i-threw-1-000-into-that-stonks-game-because-why-not-1846152366

QuoteI Threw $1,000 Into That Stonks Game Because Why Not

My partner and I spent $1000 on a game yesterday. We didn't spend it on Pokémon cards, or Fortnite V-bucks, or decide to become whales in Genshin Impact. But, at my insistence, we combined some funds, downloaded the Robinhood trading app, and bought some stock.

I mean, why the hell not right? We've seen the news about billion-dollar hedge funds flinching because of an organized group of Redditors with an affinity for GameStop. We've seen just about every jokified explanation of what in the actual fuck "shorting stock" means.
Hell, we've even seen all the rocket emojis and "TO THE MOON!!" memes taking over Reddit and Twitter.

In short, this shit looked fun.

We didn't buy GameStop stock, the $300 per share price was a little too rich for our blood, and I didn't want to court any potential conflict of interest quagmires in case the stock did indeed rocket "TO THE MOON." AMC Entertainment stock looked nice at around $11 a share. The subreddit WallStreetBets started to throw around $AMC peppered with the rocket emojis in its daily discussion thread, suggesting it was about to become the next GameStop. So my partner put in the order, and away we went.

I should say, we didn't invest anything that would hurt us to lose. Both of us had a clear understanding of what was at stake playing this little game together (so invest responsibly, kiddos!) We knew we weren't gonna get rich if we did earn some money. And if we lost it all, well, that's how the stock market goes.

There's a phenomenon in gaming (and life) that people like to call "numbers go up." It's when satisfaction is derived from seemingly boring tasks like resource management or finding the right piece of gear to minutely increase a character's stats because it makes numbers go up. And, unless it's golf, numbers going up in a game is good. My partner and I are "numbers go up" people (him more than me) so watching that thin green line representing AMC's stock price rise felt good. Conversely, when it went down, panic ensued. I could always tell when the stock price was doing something because I could hear my partner's loud groans or "holy shits!" from my work station on the opposite end of our apartment.

I spent the day with an r/WallStreetBets tab open, occasionally refreshing its daily discussion thread to see if they had any wisdom regarding which stock to pick next or when to sell. I saw a lot of diamond hands (I feel pretty adept at parsing what memes are supposed to mean, but I could not figure this out at all), the standard "TO THE MOON," and an endless spam of the hallowed ticker symbols $GME, $NOK, and my own $AMC. It felt like a weird cross between all of Michael Douglas' scenes in Wall Street and 4chan.

It reminded me of my days lurking Trade Chat in World of Warcraft. Just being a fly on the subreddit's wall felt like watching a vaguely funny and entertaining drama unfold (when they weren't hurling ableist slurs everywhere).

Still, the subreddit evoked that same weird sense of community, that seductive feeling of camaraderie combined with the notion that not only are the people there making money, but they're also doing so in a way that completely fucks the morally corrupt billionaires on Wall Street. I started to think that I could make a habit of this. I really liked the idea of keeping an eye on this subreddit over time and jumping in on the newest squeeze to make enough money to keep my savings padded with enough cash on hand to cover any catastrophes. No visions of grandeur, no million-dollar days, just a small way to make my little bit of money work for me in the short-term instead of waiting the decades it takes traditional investments to grow. And if it dicked over some billionaires—hell yeah!

I left the decision of when to sell to my partner. He pulled the parachute cord around $16 a share. We didn't make a ton of money, maybe $250 bucks all told in a mere handful of hours. We could have made a little more if we held on longer, and I secretly lamented that he didn't leave some money behind so we could try again the next day. But as it turns out, we made the right decision. We played on the last day the game was still fun. We got in on the joke, made a little money, and got out. Damn, were we lucky.

Now, those plans to reinvest are shot. We can't buy any of the stock we want, and if we had left some cash behind, we would have lost out big. r/WallStreetBets is furious. Numerous top threads on the subreddit are threatening a class action suit against Robinhood (there's now a dedicated subreddit for it) for blocking the ability to trade certain stocks, and almost everyone I follow on Twitter is crying murder most foul—Ja Rule too.

More than the spigot being arbitrarily turned off, the people really being hurt by this do not have the resources hedge fund managers do. They won't be able to ask wealthy friends (like the government) for bailouts. They'll just be left out. It sucks. All of this is so deeply fake, and now, before our eyes, the facade is ripped away. The irony that all of this is going down because of an app called Robinhood is not lost on me. Rob from the rich, give to the—no not like that.


When things calm down, maybe I'll go back to Robinhood or find another app to do some longer-term investing. It seems like all the trading apps are capitulating to their Wall Street overlords, so it'll be hard to find one reputable enough that still has a spine.

The comment section is all then a howling of rage at the elite.  When someone noted:

QuoteSounds a little like the sentiments I heard from the very few Trump supporters in my circles. They were so tired of being passive-aggressively fucked by the status quo that some dark part of them was willing to buy in to impossible/incoherent promises (remember when people could buy homes and support a family on a single income?! lets be great again!) or... in extremis... maybe they could watch it all burn and that would be ok too.

The author basically replied that it wasn't the same as this rage didn't hurt 'black, brown and queer folk'.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.