Climategate thread

[KRonn]

Hmm... maybe they can use small electric powered heaters in the lights.   

I've heard this mentioned, but it'd be hilarious if the heaters used more power than the original bulbs would have in the first place

But I'm sure there's a design/coating solution to the problem.

Maybe small nuclear reactors on each street corner that has these lights. 

[derspiess]

Edit:  Incidentally I agree with Nick Cohen that we shouldn't use the word 'sceptic' to describe climate change dissenters, I suppose.  Scepticism's a noble tradition and one of the origins of scientific inquiry.  It seems to me insane that it's now a title we give people who object to the overwhelming consensus of the scientific community and to my understanding the only internally coherent explanation for climate change.

Yes, by all means be more condescending.  That's what your side needs.

[Valmy]

I also hate those new lightbulbs. Weak, yellow light. 

Really?  Mine burn with the light of a million energy efficient suns.

[Palisadoes]

Cilmate change is too politicized now. If the politicians had stayed out they might have got their way a lot easier.

[garbon]

Really?  Mine burn with the light of a million energy efficient suns.

I sometimes find my twisty lightbulbs to be too bright.

[Ed Anger]

I also hate those new lightbulbs. Weak, yellow light. 

Really?  Mine burn with the light of a million energy efficient suns.

The funny looking ones? the light is so sickly yellow, it makes me ill on some days.

[Valmy]

The funny looking ones? the light is so sickly yellow, it makes me ill on some days.

Yep the twisty ones.  I use them whenever I can...sometimes older light fixtures cannot fit them so I have to go old school.

I have only noticed the twisty ones are brighter but I have not noticed the...color of the light or whatever but you are not the only person to complain about that.

[KRonn]

I also hate those new lightbulbs. Weak, yellow light. 

Really?  Mine burn with the light of a million energy efficient suns.

The funny looking ones? the light is so sickly yellow, it makes me ill on some days.

Soviet gulag look, coming back into style??   

[Ed Anger]

I also hate those new lightbulbs. Weak, yellow light. 

Really?  Mine burn with the light of a million energy efficient suns.

The funny looking ones? the light is so sickly yellow, it makes me ill on some days.

Soviet gulag look, coming back into style??   

More like 1970's hospital look.

[derspiess]

Really?  Mine burn with the light of a million energy efficient suns.

I sometimes find my twisty lightbulbs to be too bright.

We mostly use the IKEA ones that have the rubberized bulb covering.  Looks like the newer versions are starting to warm up faster.  But by the time they perfect them, affordable LED bulbs will be all the rage.

[Sheilbh]

Yes, by all means be more condescending.  That's what your side needs.

I don't have a side in the debate.  I think I'd err to basically a British conservative position on this subject.  I think technological innovation and green consumerism will save us*, but that moving away from carbon energy would be good because oil hurts everyone involved (states with oil get fucked, states dependant on oil get cosy with horrid petrostates). 

But I don't see why doubting the preponderance of scientific evidence should be considered 'scepticism'.  In the same way as I think a lot of people who say they're sceptical about politics aren't.  They're cynical and there's a huge difference.

* Look up Boris Johnson and George Monbiot in the Guardian for a great example.

[citizen k]

I think technological innovation and green consumerism will save us*

* Look up Boris Johnson and George Monbiot in the Guardian for a great example.

Tom Friedman from NYT is on the same bandwagon.

[Barrister]

states with oil get fucked

Nonsense.

[Neil]

states with oil get fucked

Nonsense.

Indeed.  Sheilbh's ignorance is shocking.

[Sheilbh]

Nonsense.

  True.  The UK, Norway, US and Canada do fine.  I mean the developing world - where most of the oil is.