Continued Appeal of High Fantasy?

[HisMajestyBOB]

Too many fantasy authors (including especially game story authors) are uncreative, simply rehashing what's been done over, and over, and over. I'd like to see some fresher fantasy settings that get away from the Tolkinesque D&D stuff.

[Jaron]

Thats going to get harder and harder. Good story telling or no, the modern gamer and maybe even reader is too lazy to bother fully learning a new lore. What is familiar is most comforting.

[Valmy]

Too many fantasy authors (including especially game story authors) are uncreative, simply rehashing what's been done over, and over, and over. I'd like to see some fresher fantasy settings that get away from the Tolkinesque D&D stuff.

Yeah I don't see the point.  You can tell a perfectly entertaining and compelling story with the established tropes and archetypes.  If somebody out there has a compelling new idea then I will be happy to see it but no concept produces more crap then trying to be different for the sake of being different. 

[Valmy]

Thats going to get harder and harder. Good story telling or no, the modern gamer and maybe even reader is too lazy to bother fully learning a new lore. What is familiar is most comforting.

Nonsense.  Of course they will if it is good and compelling.

[Jaron]

Most of the stuff comes out ends up looking like an acid trip. Like Neverending Story or something.

[Jaron]

Thats going to get harder and harder. Good story telling or no, the modern gamer and maybe even reader is too lazy to bother fully learning a new lore. What is familiar is most comforting.

Nonsense.  Of course they will if it is good and compelling.

Pinch me when you return to reality. No, they will not.

[Valmy]

And next-to-nothing has ever been done about them.

The Forgotten Realms had huge nations devoted to those cultures but nobody had much interest.  It is hard to get people all excited about the archetype of the heroic Sumerian unless you introduce it in a way that gets people excited.

Jade Empire was a sort of meh action game that did seem to have a good plot...but I was playing it on X-Box and the thing kept dying on me.  I also heard it was short...and that is not good.

[Valmy]

Pinch me when you return to reality. No, they will not.

I would name an example but I don't believe anybody has come up with something wholly original in centuries.  Harry Potter, which was a very different sort of fantasy, basically combined lots of other well known story elements and tropes together.

[Jaron]

Harry Potter was a "different sort of fantasy"? Really?

Evil wizards and magical spells is way off the radar in your book, eh?

[Valmy]

Harry Potter was a "different sort of fantasy"? Really?

Evil wizards and magical spells is way off the radar in your book, eh?

So....you want a fantasy story with no evil wizards and magical spells eh?  Do you next want Sci Fi that is not set in space?

Anyway I meant it was a fantasy story that was a different sort than the standard Tolkienesque D&D stuff.

[Jaron]

Oh.

I wasn't aware Tolkien didnt have wizards, magic, and dragons..

OH WAIT.

[Valmy]

Oh.

I wasn't aware Tolkien didnt have wizards, magic, and dragons..

OH WAIT.

Well since my entire point was that even when they stray from the standard quasi-medieval fantasy Kingdom thing it still isn't very original that simply backs up what I was trying to say.

[Jaron]

BS.

Your original point was that Harry Potter was a very different kind of fantasy sewn together from a lot of commonly held notion.

MY point is that Harry Potter is not different at all.

Quit arguing with me.

[Valmy]

BS.

Your original point was that Harry Potter was a very different kind of fantasy sewn together from a lot of commonly held notion.

MY point is that Harry Potter is not different at all.

Quit arguing with me.

Ok what was the previous fantasy novel set in a modern day wizard boarding school where the central plot revolved around teenagers going through puberty with wizards?

[HisMajestyBOB]

Too many fantasy authors (including especially game story authors) are uncreative, simply rehashing what's been done over, and over, and over. I'd like to see some fresher fantasy settings that get away from the Tolkinesque D&D stuff.

Yeah I don't see the point.  You can tell a perfectly entertaining and compelling story with the established tropes and archetypes.  If somebody out there has a compelling new idea then I will be happy to see it but no concept produces more crap then trying to be different for the sake of being different.

The problem is that most writers who are lazy and rip off Tolkien and D&D are too lazy to create interesting, dynamic characters or tell an indepth, well-plotted story.