4 Cops gunned down in Washington coffee shop

[Kleves]

The police have had a house surrounded since last night, in which they believed the guy was holed up, or even dead. Except: whoops, the house is empty, and the guy has been loose for hours.

[KRonn]

News says this guy has a long, violent criminal record. Was released from prison, reportedly by a governor of Arkansas (Huckabee) while serving a 95 year term. Again, a known violent offender with a lengthy record is set free, and we have this kind of thing happen... over and over again.

[Berkut]

News says this guy has a long, violent criminal record. Was released from prison, reportedly by a governor of Arkansas (Huckabee) while serving a 95 year term. Again, a known violent offender with a lengthy record is set free, and we have this kind of thing happen... over and over again.

Over and over again?

How many other times have cops been gunned down in donut shops by released felons?

Maybe we should consider closing up the donut shops, since this is happening so often.

[alfred russel]

News says this guy has a long, violent criminal record. Was released from prison, reportedly by a governor of Arkansas (Huckabee) while serving a 95 year term. Again, a known violent offender with a lengthy record is set free, and we have this kind of thing happen... over and over again.

Over and over again?

How many other times have cops been gunned down in donut shops by released felons?

Maybe we should consider closing up the donut shops, since this is happening so often.

Let it go. Maybe it is unfair, but lets not argue that this shouldn't end Huckabee's political career.

[KRonn]

News says this guy has a long, violent criminal record. Was released from prison, reportedly by a governor of Arkansas (Huckabee) while serving a 95 year term. Again, a known violent offender with a lengthy record is set free, and we have this kind of thing happen... over and over again.

Over and over again?

How many other times have cops been gunned down in donut shops by released felons?

Maybe we should consider closing up the donut shops, since this is happening so often.

Right, not just cops; I was unclear there.
Kids kidnapped or killed, cops killed. Just recently we've had several cases of kids killed or kidnaps resolved, committed by people with lengthy criminal records.

[Berkut]

News says this guy has a long, violent criminal record. Was released from prison, reportedly by a governor of Arkansas (Huckabee) while serving a 95 year term. Again, a known violent offender with a lengthy record is set free, and we have this kind of thing happen... over and over again.

Over and over again?

How many other times have cops been gunned down in donut shops by released felons?

Maybe we should consider closing up the donut shops, since this is happening so often.

Right, not just cops; I was unclear there.
Kids kidnapped or killed, cops killed. Just recently we've had several cases of kids killed or kidnaps resolved, committed by people with lengthy criminal records.

Indeed. People with lengthy criminal records do in fact tend to...commit crimes. That is how their records become so lengthy.

Of course, you know what else happens over and over and over again?

People go to jail, get paroled, and then don't murder 4 cops in a donut shop. Or rape any kids. Or kidnap kids.

Fuck, it is happening time and time again, this not committing crimes after getting out of jail! Whatever shall we do about it???

[jimmy olsen]

I thought the same thing at first, but it's just such an over the top statement that no one's taken it seriously.

[Berkut]

I thought the same thing at first, but it's just such an over the top statement that no one's taken it seriously.

I wonder if any of the cops were gay?

Or maybe the shooter was gay? Or in the closet?

When are we going to start hearing about the REAL facts of this case?

[KRonn]

News says this guy has a long, violent criminal record. Was released from prison, reportedly by a governor of Arkansas (Huckabee) while serving a 95 year term. Again, a known violent offender with a lengthy record is set free, and we have this kind of thing happen... over and over again.

Over and over again?

How many other times have cops been gunned down in donut shops by released felons?

Maybe we should consider closing up the donut shops, since this is happening so often.

Right, not just cops; I was unclear there.
Kids kidnapped or killed, cops killed. Just recently we've had several cases of kids killed or kidnaps resolved, committed by people with lengthy criminal records.

Indeed. People with lengthy criminal records do in fact tend to...commit crimes. That is how their records become so lengthy.

Of course, you know what else happens over and over and over again?

People go to jail, get paroled, and then don't murder 4 cops in a donut shop. Or rape any kids. Or kidnap kids.

Fuck, it is happening time and time again, this not committing crimes after getting out of jail! Whatever shall we do about it???

This is an issue with me; should be to all of us. Just because not everyone who gets out of prison goes on to even worse crimes doesn't mean we could not do a better job with felons. In the news we see kids, adults, cops, people being killed, raped, kidnapped, by felons who should not have been let out of prison. Yeah, but I guess it's another radical view of mine that's so hard to understand. I realize we can't be perfect on it, but again, I feel strongly that we need to do better at it.

[Berkut]

Your views are hardly "radical". They are shared by the vast majority of people out there, in fact.

"ZOMG! LEAVE TEH FELONS IN JAIL! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!"

[Fate]

Huckabee just got Dukakied.

[DGuller]

Right, not just cops; I was unclear there.
Kids kidnapped or killed, cops killed. Just recently we've had several cases of kids killed or kidnaps resolved, committed by people with lengthy criminal records.

To be devil's advocate, it's a big country.  Most things happen over and over, that's why anecdotal evidence is so useless.

[Malthus]

I question what Homer's doing to that tub of popcorn.

[crazy canuck]

I question what Homer's doing to that tub of popcorn.

There is no question in my mind.

[KRonn]

Yeah, this guy was a real sweetheart. Was let out early on about a century's worth of prison time. Was waiting trial for child rape, low bail for the guy, even with his record, let alone the seriousness of his latest allegations. No reason at all to suspect that something could go wrong here. Nothing to see here, move along.

The system works as well as we could possibly expect it to! Again, we see the usual statements of how this system failed in this case! Really? Ya think so? No wai!  You'd think that those responsible for this kind of system would see what anyone of the rest of us could see is wrong with the system, their system.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,577845,00.html

Suspect in Cop Killings Was Out on Street Despite Lengthy Rap Sheet, Sentences

As authorities continue searching for the suspect wanted in the ambush execution of four police officers, questions are swirling as to how and why Maurice Clemmons — an ex-con who at one time faced more than 100 years behind bars — was allowed to live free.

Clemmons, 37, of Tacoma, Wash., has an extensive, violent criminal history marked by volatile and unstable behavior, according to court records and news reports.

His criminal history includes at least five felony convictions in Arkansas and at least eight felony charges in Washington, according to The Seattle Times. He had a lengthy prison sentence commuted in 2000 by former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, who cited Clemmons' youth.

Rhonda Sharp, a spokeswoman for the Arkansas Parole Board, said then-Gov. Huckabee commuted Clemmons' 108-year prison term to a sentence of 47 years, five months and 19 days.

"[Huckabee's commutation] made him eligible for parole at that point," Sharp told FoxNews.com on Monday.

Clemmons later violated his parole and was returned to prison until his release in 2004.

"Should he be found to be responsible for this horrible tragedy, it will be the result of a series of failures in the criminal justice system in both Arkansas and Washington State," Huckabee said in a statement issued Sunday. The former governor, who ran for president in 2008 and has been a leading contender in polls for the 2012 Republican nomination, currently hosts a show on Fox News Channel.

Huckabee said the criminal justice system "failed miserably" in Clemmons' case.

"If I could've known nine years ago, looked into the future, would I have acted favorably upon the parole board's recommendation?" Huckabee told Fox News Radio on Monday. "Of course not."

Responding to his critics, Huckabee said, "Politics is the last thing on my mind. It should be the last thing on anybody's mind. To me it's repulsive that people are trying to bring something like that up in the midst of what ought to be a concern for these officer's families.

"The criminal justice is far from perfect and in this case it failed miserably on all sides."

Clemmons is wanted in connection to Sunday's shooting in a suburban Seattle coffee shop that killed Lakewood Police Sgt. Mark Renninger, 39, and Officers Ronald Owens, 37; Tina Griswold, 40; and Greg Richards, 42.

Clemmons, who was released from custody in Washington just seven days ago, had been jailed in Pierce County on a pending charge of second-degree rape of a child. Using a bail bondsman, Jail Sucks Bail Bonds, Clemmons posted $150,000 — only $15,000 of which was his own money — and secured his release on the pending rape charge.

In 1989, Clemmons, then 18, was convicted for aggravated robbery, buglary, robbery and two counts of theft of property, said Arkansas Department of Correction spokeswoman Dina Tyler. A year later, he was convicted of burglary, theft of property and possession of a firearm, she said.

"When you do the math on all of them, it all comes to 108 years," Tyler told FoxNews.com of Clemmons' total sentence.

Clemmons violated his parole in 2001 on a robbery charge, Tyler said, and was returned to prison before being released in 2004, Tyler said.

When informed that Clemmons was being sought for questioning in the killings, Larry Jegley, prosecuting attorney for Arkansas' Pulaski County, told The Seattle Times: "This is the day I've been dreading for a long time."

Calls to Jegley were not immediately returned Monday.

Clemmons also had at least two confrontations with police earlier this year. During one incident in May, according to the Seattle Times, Clemmons punched a sheriff's deputy in the face and was charged with seven counts of assault and malicious mischief. In another incident, Clemmons was accused of gathering his wife, Nicole Smith, and young relatives and forcing them to "be naked for at least 5 minutes," according to a Pierce County sheriff's report.

"The whole time Clemmons kept saying things like trust him, the world is going to end soon, and that he was Jesus," the report reads.

As part of the child-rape investigation, the Pierce County Sheriff's Office interviewed Clemmons' sister in May. She said her brother was "not in his right mind and did not know how he could react when contacted by law enforcement," a report reads.

"She stated that he was saying that the Secret Service was coming to get him because he had written a letter to the President," the report continued. "She stated his behavior has become unpredictable and erratic. She suspects he is having a mental breakdown."

Other relatives said, according to the report, that Clemmons claimed he could fly and that he expected President Obama to visit him to "confirm that he is Messiah in the flesh."

Clemmons was found competent to stand trial earlier this month on the child-rape and other felony charges by a psychologist at Western State Hospital, court records show.

Clemmons moved to Washington in 2004 after being released from prison in Arkansas, according to state Department of Corrections records.

A series of incidents involving Clemmons was reported as he was being tried in Arkansas on various charges, The Seattle Times reports.

During one court proceeding, Clemmons hid a hinge in his sock, allegedly intending to use it as a weapon. In another trial, Clemmons threw a lock he took from a holding cell toward a bailiff and instead struck his mother, who had come to bring him street clothes, according to court records and news reports. On another occasion, Clemmons reached for a guard's firearm during transport to a courtroom. In yet another incident, a presiding judge ordered Clemmons to be shackled in leg irons and seated next to a uniformed officer because the judge felt Clemmons threatened him.