Time for the 80s?

[Ed Anger]

And to be clear. New Wave AND Punk started in New York, and were copied in Great Britain.  So the movements you speak of are derivative anyway.

(cue MB and USA! USA! )

USA! USA!

And I hate punk. And the English.

[PDH]

And I hate punk. And the English.

Punk was a lot cooler when I was 16

[BuddhaRhubarb]

And to be clear. New Wave AND Punk started in New York, and were copied in Great Britain.  So the movements you speak of are derivative anyway.

(cue MB and USA! USA! )

UM and LA
same time more rockabilly influenced, and also a big reaction against Hippies and stadium rock.

but yeah. as far as the so-called "post punk" definitely a self referential phrase used (my own timeline may be different but I see post-punk as anything vaguely punk/new wave that was recorded after the Clash disintegrated on Combat Rock.)  by those tired of being pigeonholed as punk new wave or whatever, it's even vaguer and thus more useful.

[garbon]

PDH on Jos. That's a new combo.

[Neil]

It's great watching Tyr go on, absolutely convinced that he knows better about things that happened before he was born, compared to someone who was there.

[Josquius]

Did you read what I wrote? No? Good, that explains your response. Punk-New Wave split almost immediately after the initial punk splash because of percieved problems in marketing punk, not because of genre differences.

The New Wave you are referring to is a later self-referential definition, a larger commercial one that is different from what you wish to be saying. New Wave follows Punk timeline quite closely, and dies shortly after the "1st Wave" Punk dies too.  The Romantic, Dance, Electronica, etc movements that are born out of both Punk and New Wave are not either - they are evolutions of this.

I know definitions change over time - applying new definitions to something that is not applicable is still wrong, however.

Did you read what I wrote? No? That explains your response.
As I said the term new wave was applied to punk bands freely, the terms punk and new wave were mixed and matched at will. New wave meant just that, the new wave of music.
It came to be however in the 80s that new wave actually stuck with a particular genre, whatever was called new wave before that is irrelevant. By modern definitions New Wave= pretty poppy stuff that had its peak popularity in the mid 80s.
Terms change. Much as how emo is now shitty pop-punk rather than hardcore punk so too punk is not new wave.

And to be clear. New Wave AND Punk started in New York, and were copied in Great Britain.  So the movements you speak of are derivative anyway.

Not really.
Much of the groundwork for the punk sound came from the US however this was all just proto-punk and garage rock.

It's great watching Tyr go on, absolutely convinced that he knows better about things that happened before he was born, compared to someone who was there.

I'm British. Therefore I'm entitled to say that we're a federal republic ruled by a chancellor and you can't argue with me on account of being foreign. Hurray.

[Neil]

I'm British. Therefore I'm entitled to say that we're a federal republic ruled by a chancellor and you can't argue with me on account of being foreign. Hurray.

Not every British person is completely ignorant in regards to music history.

[Ed Anger]

And I hate punk. And the English.

Punk was a lot cooler when I was 16

You are so old grandpa. 

[Eddie Teach]

PDH on Jos. That's a new combo.

I think just about everybody here has had to take Jos to task at some point or other.

[garbon]

I think just about everybody here has had to take Jos to task at some point or other.

That's fair. Really the sheer level of idiocy on his part is almost incomprehensible. It's like he's a forever know-it-all teen.

[Jaron]

candy vs. sweets, take 2.

[Ed Anger]

candy vs. sweets, take 2.

[Josquius]

WTF

That's fair. Really the sheer level of idiocy on his part is almost incomprehensible. It's like he's a forever know-it-all teen.

Except, you know, what I'm saying here is perfectly valid.

candy vs. sweets, take 2.

That was other people being dense. Not me.

Not every British person is completely ignorant in regards to music history.

And not every older person is completely well versed in it purely on account of being old enough to be 'there'.

[Neil]

And not every older person is completely well versed in it purely on account of being old enough to be 'there'.

True.  But in this case, we're talking about someone who is intimately connected with the music scene and the history of music.

[garbon]

That was other people being dense. Not me.

When all of these instances have one person in common, you have to wonder if the problem is really the other people.

Anyway, perhaps that is how you use the term New Wave but ignorance doesn't make it that the correct usage. If that was the case, "your stupid" and "its a boy" would be accurate statements.

Btw, I think my thoughts on new wave were once similar to yours, however then I read a bit and learned I was mistaken.