Iran Won't Halt Enrichment Even If It Gets Fuel

Started by KRonn, October 19, 2009, 01:32:47 PM

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KRonn

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,568483,00.html

Iran Won't Halt Enrichment Even If It Gets Fuel

Iran signaled to the West on Monday that it will not allow its enriched uranium to be moved out of the country, in spite of international demands.

Iranian state-run Press TV cited unnamed officials in Tehran as saying the Islamic Republic was looking to hold on to its low-enriched uranium and buying what it needed for the Tehran reactor abroad.

The report indicated that Iran will not meet terms the West said it agreed to — including transferring most of its stock of enriched uranium, the potential base for fissile warhead material. Tehran says it needs enriched uranium for nuclear fuel.

"Buying nuclear fuel from abroad does not mean Iran will stop its uranium enrichment activities inside the country," Ali Shirzadian, spokesman for Iran's Atomic Energy Organization, told Iran's official IRNA news agency.

"If the talks do not bring about Iran's desired result ... we will start to make 19.7 percent enriched uranium ourselves," Shirzadian told Reuters a few hours before the talks were due to start.

The U.S. says Iran is now one to six years away from being able to make such arms, should it choose to.

Meanwhile, the head of the U.N. nuclear agency says talks with Iran's International Atomic Energy Agency delegation were off to a"good start" in Vienna.

Mohamed El Baradei, who heads the International Atomic Energy Agency, attended the first day of talks Monday. He spoke of "quite a constructive meeting."

"We are off to a good start," Baradei said.

Even if Tehran agrees, it could still try to resist pressure to hand over most of its stock in one batch, insisting instead on sending small amounts out of the country. Iran still has enough fuel for the Tehran reactor to last until mid-2011.

Monday's Vienna talks between Tehran and the U.S., Russia and France, focused on the technical issue with huge strategic ramifications.

Progress would strengthen confidence on the part of the U.S. and five other big powers trying to persuade Iran to dispel fears about its nuclear program that this time Tehran is serious about reducing tensions and ready to build on Oct. 1 Geneva talks with six world powers.

Beyond that, it could give the international community more negotiating space by delaying Tehran's ability to turn what is now a civilian uranium enrichment program into an assembly line producing fissile warhead material

The talks Monday will attempt to implement what Western officials say Iran agreed to during the Geneva talks; letting a foreign country — most likely Russia — turn most of its low-enriched uranium into higher grades to fuel its small research reactor in Tehran.

That would mean turning over more than 1,200 kilograms of low-enriched uranium — more than 2,600 pounds and as much as 75 percent of Iran's declared stockpile. Tentative plans are for further enrichment in Russia and then conversion in France into metal fuel rods for the Tehran reactor.

Iranian agreement to such terms would be significant because 1,000 kilograms is the commonly accepted threshold of the amount of low-enriched uranium needed for production of weapons-grade uranium enriched to levels above 90 percent.

Based on the present Iranian stockpile, the U.S. has estimated that Tehran could produce a nuclear weapon between 2010 and 2015, an assessment that broadly jibes with those from Israel and other nations tracking Tehran's nuclear program.

If most of Iran's declared stock is taken out of the country, further enriched abroad and then turned into fuel for the Tehran reactor, any effort to make nuclear weapons would be delayed until Iran again has enriched enough material to turn into weapons-grade uranium.

"It buys some time," said David Albright of the Washington-based IISS, which has closely tracked Iran for signs of any covert proliferation. But Albright added that Iran could replace even 1,200 kilograms of low-enriched uranium "in little over a year" at its present rate of enrichment.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Berkut

Golly, I am simply stunned that it turns out the Iran doesn't really need enriched uranium for a power plant after all.

Whoulda thunk it!

This demands more diplomacy.
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Grallon

Is a warning shot (exploding a nuke high above Iran's air space) and an ultimatum advisable?

This whole region is just one clusterfuck waiting to blow.




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Berkut

Quote from: Grallon on October 19, 2009, 02:23:14 PM
This whole region is just one clusterfuck waiting to blow.

No it isn't - they are all rational actors who will only ever act in a manner that we predict is in their own best interests.

I read that on Languish, so it must be true.
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derspiess

Quote from: Berkut on October 19, 2009, 02:35:18 PM
No it isn't - they are all rational actors who will only ever act in a manner that we predict is in their own best interests.

I read that on Languish, so it must be true.

Really, though.  It's impossible for them to act in a way we don't think it makes sense for them to act.  'Cuz that would be crazy.
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Berkut

Quote from: derspiess on October 19, 2009, 02:43:33 PM
Quote from: Berkut on October 19, 2009, 02:35:18 PM
No it isn't - they are all rational actors who will only ever act in a manner that we predict is in their own best interests.

I read that on Languish, so it must be true.

Really, though.  It's impossible for them to act in a way we don't think it makes sense for them to act.  'Cuz that would be crazy.

The funny thing is that as soon as anyone does something that nobody predicted, everyone immediately "proves" how it was inevitable, and made perfect sense, after the fact.
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Valmy

Quote from: Berkut on October 19, 2009, 02:51:31 PM
The funny thing is that as soon as anyone does something that nobody predicted, everyone immediately "proves" how it was inevitable, and made perfect sense, after the fact.

It is almost like economists are the ones doing political projections in the Middle East.
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Queequeg

How is getting nuclear weapons not in their rational interest? They are a flimsy authoritarian regime with a  decade (max) left of power, and they are buying time by eliminating the possibility of an invasion or a costly war and hopefully impressing some part of the populace. 
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grumbler

Quote from: Queequeg on October 19, 2009, 03:44:44 PM
How is getting nuclear weapons not in their rational interest? They are a flimsy authoritarian regime with a  decade (max) left of power, and they are buying time by eliminating the possibility of an invasion or a costly war and hopefully impressing some part of the populace.
The nuclear program is, indeed, very popular in Iran, even with the regime's enemies.

I don't know who on Languish wrote that the Iranians (or whomever) "are all rational actors who will only ever act in a manner that we predict is in their own best interests."  I smell straw.  Anyone who thinks that there is such a thing as a truly "rational actor" is fooling themselves - but I have never heard anyone make the claim, so maybe that is just in Gallon's fevered imagination.
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Quote from: grumbler on October 20, 2009, 04:04:46 PM
Anyone who thinks that there is such a thing as a truly "rational actor" is fooling themselves - but I have never heard anyone make the claim, so maybe that is just in Gallon's fevered imagination.


I really advise you should concentrate on other subjects than me - it can't be healthy.  Why not one of those underage students you have so readily access to? 

For my part I advocate nuking the shit out of iranians (all muslims in fact) while we have the capacity to do so - and before *they* do so to us.  For if we don't - they certainly will.



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Neil

Grallon doesn't understand that the attitude that prevents us from defeating Islam is the same attitude that keeps him alive.
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Grallon

Quote from: Neil on October 20, 2009, 06:14:09 PM
Grallon doesn't understand that the attitude that prevents us from defeating Islam is the same attitude that keeps him alive.


Compassion?  If the muslim vermin is to die tomorrow I'm ready to slit my own throat today!  So by all means, do *not* waver on my account!



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Neil

Quote from: Grallon on October 20, 2009, 06:18:33 PM
Quote from: Neil on October 20, 2009, 06:14:09 PM
Grallon doesn't understand that the attitude that prevents us from defeating Islam is the same attitude that keeps him alive.
Compassion?  If the muslim vermin is to die tomorrow I'm ready to slit my own throat today!  so by all means, do *not* waver on my account!
Tolerance.  Would we first destroy the Muslim wolf across the sea, or the homosexual viper at our breast?

That said, I find your willingness to sacrifice yourself for the greater good admirable.
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Grallon

Quote from: Neil on October 20, 2009, 06:21:41 PM


That said, I find your willingness to sacrifice yourself for the greater good admirable.


Get on you knees then - and worship!

But no of course, they will be allowed to live, only to incinerate one (or more) of our cities!  It is unavoidable.

I am now sporting the 'AXE - VICE' deodorant.



G.
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