And the Peace Nobel Prize for 2009 goes to...

Started by Martinus, October 09, 2009, 04:08:05 AM

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Razgovory

Quote from: Ed Anger on October 10, 2009, 04:46:09 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 10, 2009, 04:33:46 PM
I meant to say Shit, my cat deserves it more, but this works to.

You named your cat poop too?

Actually the Cat's name is Brown.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

DisturbedPervert

Quote from: Razgovory on October 10, 2009, 03:09:29 PM
I don't know if Tsvangerai deserves it either.  It's more like a condemnation of Mugabe.  But he's certainly more deserving then Obama (and I say this as one of Obama's supporters and fanboys).  Shit, deserves it more then Obama.

He's been brutally tortured time and time again for years and never stopped opposing Mugabe.  If there is anyone who deserves it is him.

Martinus

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Quote from: DisturbedPervert on October 11, 2009, 12:59:12 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 10, 2009, 03:09:29 PM
I don't know if Tsvangerai deserves it either.  It's more like a condemnation of Mugabe.  But he's certainly more deserving then Obama (and I say this as one of Obama's supporters and fanboys).  Shit, deserves it more then Obama.

He's been brutally tortured time and time again for years and never stopped opposing Mugabe.  If there is anyone who deserves it is him.

How does his actions promote "fraternity between nations", contribute to "abolition or reduction of standing armies" or are associated with "peace congresses"?  :huh:

Razgovory

Quote from: DisturbedPervert on October 11, 2009, 12:59:12 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 10, 2009, 03:09:29 PM
I don't know if Tsvangerai deserves it either.  It's more like a condemnation of Mugabe.  But he's certainly more deserving then Obama (and I say this as one of Obama's supporters and fanboys).  Shit, deserves it more then Obama.

He's been brutally tortured time and time again for years and never stopped opposing Mugabe.  If there is anyone who deserves it is him.

It's not the Nobel torture prize.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

DGuller

Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 10, 2009, 02:06:23 AM
Airlifted Georgian troops back from Iraq on US planes.
:pinch: In hindsight, that might not have been an unqualified good, especially from the Georgian troops' perspective.

BuddhaRhubarb

Quote from: Agelastus on October 09, 2009, 01:54:49 PM
Quote"Obama has as president created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts."

The committee added, "Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future."

:rolleyes:

Vapid self-justification wrapped in a not-that-subtle attack on G W Bush. Absolutely pathetic.

I think it's a lame award but don't get the Bush bashing thing? why would anyone think that?
:p

Razgovory

Quote from: DGuller on October 11, 2009, 01:04:57 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 10, 2009, 02:06:23 AM
Airlifted Georgian troops back from Iraq on US planes.
:pinch: In hindsight, that might not have been an unqualified good, especially from the Georgian troops' perspective.

It's not like they were there in time for the fighting anyway.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

DisturbedPervert

Quote from: Razgovory on October 11, 2009, 01:00:42 PM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on October 11, 2009, 12:59:12 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 10, 2009, 03:09:29 PM
I don't know if Tsvangerai deserves it either.  It's more like a condemnation of Mugabe.  But he's certainly more deserving then Obama (and I say this as one of Obama's supporters and fanboys).  Shit, deserves it more then Obama.

He's been brutally tortured time and time again for years and never stopped opposing Mugabe.  If there is anyone who deserves it is him.

It's not the Nobel torture prize.

Of course not


DGuller

Quote from: Razgovory on October 11, 2009, 01:14:51 PM
It's not like they were there in time for the fighting anyway.
They could've been transported at the speed of light, and they'd still be late for the fight.

grumbler

Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on October 11, 2009, 01:09:54 PM
Quote from: Agelastus on October 09, 2009, 01:54:49 PM
Quote"Obama has as president created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts."

The committee added, "Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future."

:rolleyes:

Vapid self-justification wrapped in a not-that-subtle attack on G W Bush. Absolutely pathetic.

I think it's a lame award but don't get the Bush bashing thing? why would anyone think that?
Because all Obama has done to earn those compliments is simply not be George W. Bush.  It isn't like he has taken positive action to create "a new climate in international politics."  This pretty much always occurs ion a change of Administrations.  This change of Administrations, though, was deemed worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize, when previous ones were not.  I see this as a slam on Bush, since it cannot possibly be attributed to any actual work accomplished by Obama in the first 11 days he was in office.

The second sentence is probably not about Bush.  I think it is referring to Bono as the other "rare" person that captured the world's attention, gave it hope, etc.  Bono, though, didn't succeed Bush and so he didn't get the prize.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

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Razgovory

Quote from: DisturbedPervert on October 11, 2009, 01:19:52 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 11, 2009, 01:00:42 PM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on October 11, 2009, 12:59:12 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 10, 2009, 03:09:29 PM
I don't know if Tsvangerai deserves it either.  It's more like a condemnation of Mugabe.  But he's certainly more deserving then Obama (and I say this as one of Obama's supporters and fanboys).  Shit, deserves it more then Obama.

He's been brutally tortured time and time again for years and never stopped opposing Mugabe.  If there is anyone who deserves it is him.

It's not the Nobel torture prize.

Of course not



GWB didn't get any prizes for his ground breaking work in developing North Korean weapons.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Agelastus

Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on October 11, 2009, 01:09:54 PM
I think it's a lame award but don't get the Bush bashing thing? why would anyone think that?

The below part of what I quoted is a not-very-veiled condemnation/criticism of Bush. There's actually no other way to interpret it, as every sentence is phrased in a way to imply a negative comparison with what has preceded Obama...ie. George W. Bush.

Quote"Obama has as president created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts."

The other part I quoted is the vapid self-justification. They cannot come up with anything concrete Obama has achieved, so they have to resort to this -

Quote"Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future."

It's a good soundbite, but a good soundbite is not an explanation of why you give Obama an award for achievement before he has achieved anything.
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QuoteHumbly but proud, I accept this Academy Award for my performance at the inauguration day. I want to thank my family for the support they given me during those difficult first years.

The Minsky Moment

Tsvangerai has shown great restraint (perhaps too much) in dealing with provocations with Mugabe and has thereby kept the peace in that part of the planet.  His government has already delivered very significant benefits in the quality of life to the people of Zimbabwe (albeit mostly by simply ceasing the energetic economic self-sabotage that was the previous government's policy).  He is still locked in a bitter power struggle with Mugabe who maintains control over the security forces.  A Nobel would have actually served some useful function in bolstering his prestige and focusing attention back on Zimbabwe.
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--Joan Robinson

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Martinus on October 11, 2009, 05:21:44 AM
[How does his actions promote "fraternity between nations", contribute to "abolition or reduction of standing armies" or are associated with "peace congresses"?  :huh:

No less than those of 90% of the awardees over the years.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson