US: We won't be building the missile shield in Poland

Started by Martinus, September 17, 2009, 07:01:13 AM

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Ed Anger

Quote from: Razgovory on September 17, 2009, 09:44:46 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 17, 2009, 09:15:08 AM
The Poles should threaten to build their own nuclear deterrent if the missile system is not put in.

Oh that's fucking brilliant.

It would be made of packing peanuts and have the detonator in backwards.
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Razgovory

Quote from: Viking on September 17, 2009, 07:08:15 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 17, 2009, 07:03:03 AM
Is there a fear that Russians will paratroop into Poland from ICBMs or is it you just wanted to be primary strategic targets in a nuclear war?

The Poles wanted uniformed American personnel on Polish soil as well as being useful to their largest and most important ally.

Poles will not be useful ever.  Doesn't the US already have personnel on Polish soil?  If not we can just occupy Warsaw to make them feel better.
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Razgovory

Quote from: Ed Anger on September 17, 2009, 09:46:01 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 17, 2009, 09:44:46 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 17, 2009, 09:15:08 AM
The Poles should threaten to build their own nuclear deterrent if the missile system is not put in.

Oh that's fucking brilliant.

It would be made of packing peanuts and have the detonator in backwards.

I thought Tim would at least be smart enough not to promote nuclear proliferation.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

DisturbedPervert

Quote from: Razgovory on September 17, 2009, 09:47:16 AM
I thought Tim would at least be smart enough not to promote nuclear proliferation.

Nuclear weapons for some, falling American bombs for others.

Legbiter

Presumably the Americans get some quid pro quo from the Russians. Right?
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Legbiter

Quote from: Valmy on September 17, 2009, 11:41:53 AM
Quote from: Legbiter on September 17, 2009, 11:41:18 AM
Presumably the Americans get some quid pro quo from the Russians. Right?

Free Caviar.

Well, if they manage even that I'll be impressed.
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Agelastus

Quote from: Legbiter on September 17, 2009, 11:41:18 AM
Presumably the Americans get some quid pro quo from the Russians. Right?

Not bloody likely.

I find it amazing - let's do something that pleases Russia despite their recent track record (Georgia, Ukraine etc.) while making America look weak and pissing off several of America's most reliable allies in Eastern Europe; nations whose leaders have expended a great deal of political capital in supporting the scheme up to this point. Let's even do it on a significant anniversary for the region as well.

Bravo, "Own Goal" Obama!!! :lol:
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Strix

Quote from: Legbiter on September 17, 2009, 11:41:18 AM
Presumably the Americans get some quid pro quo from the Russians. Right?

Not with the Democrats in Office. We probably gave the Russians something else behind closed doors as well.
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Jaron

Maybe we can offer Poland a "rent to own" type deal.
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Admiral Yi

Obama was just on CNN talking about installing a different kind of missile shield, one that's stronger, faster, swifter than the old one.

Strix

Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 17, 2009, 12:26:42 PM
Obama was just on CNN talking about installing a different kind of missile shield, one that's stronger, faster, swifter than the old one.

He was talking about condoms that will be offered via his new healthcare reform.
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Agelastus

Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 17, 2009, 12:26:42 PM
Obama was just on CNN talking about installing a different kind of missile shield, one that's stronger, faster, swifter than the old one.

And cheaper. I noticed that especially when the clip was shown on the BBC.
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The program made little sense technically or strategically; the question always was how long we were going to stick to it simply for the purpose of avoiding handing the Russians an empty PR victory. 

I agree the timing could have better.  Like Day 1 of the Administration.
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