Obama's Heckling Thread

[Razgovory]

I remember you going on about how Joe Wilson was a liar and despicable.  Now you are defending him?  Yeesh!

[Eddie Teach]

I remember you going on about how Joe Wilson was a liar and despicable.  Now you are defending him?  Yeesh!

Was it the same guy? Valerie Plame's husband? I thought he was a Democrat.

[Razgovory]

I remember you going on about how Joe Wilson was a liar and despicable.  Now you are defending him?  Yeesh!

Was it the same guy? Valerie Plame's husband? I thought he was a Democrat.

You are totally fucking up my joke.

[Sheilbh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mqSXsNJzRM&feature=player_embedded

Unfortunately, this video doesn't have the right angle at the time of the Democrats erupting to interrupt President Bush to see the Obamateur reaction, though it was quite clear an universal outbreak (and not a singular case as with Joe Wilson), so your pathetic outrage now is laughable.

You're conflating three different things. 

Joe Wilson heckled, as did someone else at a different point, to be precise at a moment when no-one else was talking Wilson shouted 'you lie!'  Something which is beyond the pale in even the rowdiest legislature in the Western world.  I think even if he'd shouted something innocuous it wouldn't have been acceptable, because I don't believe that heckling should be a part of our discourse unless you're being witty (the Dennis Skinner doctrine).

The GOP last night booed and hissed and so on.  I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing.  As I've said it happened 4 times to Clinton and possibly to Bush there in the last 5 seconds.  So it's not unprecedented, though it's rude and I think unusual in America's overly decorous Congress.

The Democrats in 2005, from that clip, seem to largely be engaging in inappropriate applause and, possibly, an ovate-off with the Republicans.  It's a bit rude, sure, but it's from the very core of American politics: the almost involuntary, spasming need to applaud that even respectable Senators show.  I think it turns politics into a Big Brother eviction, but I think that of all the applauding Congress does.

The reason all the leftists are jumping on Wilson is that as long as they attack him they don't have to spend any time defending Obama's speech.

I'll ignore your mind-reading and just point out that it's not just leftists who've thought this was unacceptable.  I believe righties like McCain, Joe Scarborough and others have condemned it - which is entirely right.  What he did was wrong for an elected official.  I mean even he's accepted that.

[The Minsky Moment]

EDIT: I would think this would be understood by Canadians - you guys have a hard enough time making your immediate southern neighbor and largest trading partner remember who your PM is; I doubt 1 in 10,000 would recognize the Governor General even if he plowed into them while escorted by an honor brigade of moose cavalry.

I guess I almost make your point when I remind you that our GG is a "she".

I couldn't name a single GG in all of Canadian history.

[Eddie Teach]

You are totally fucking up my joke.

My bad.

[Maximus]

I couldn't name a single GG in all of Canadian history.

Not even Sir Guy Carleton!!?
He was the only one other than Clarkson I could name myself.

[Neil]

In the words of Cincinnatus: if you act no better than the Plebs you are no better than the Plebs.

I'm sick of the 'high road' approach.  All it does is make you irrelevant in politics these days.

The GOP has proved you can irrelevant no matter what road you take.

They are taking the low road now mostly because little remains of what used to be their leadership and the rump of a party that remains is a mostly a sad collection of paranoids and mental Palins.

Wow.

[The Minsky Moment]

I couldn't name a single GG in all of Canadian history.

Not even Sir Guy Carleton!!?
He was the only one other than Clarkson I could name myself.

Only talking about post-1867 Canada.

[Neil]

EDIT: I would think this would be understood by Canadians - you guys have a hard enough time making your immediate southern neighbor and largest trading partner remember who your PM is; I doubt 1 in 10,000 would recognize the Governor General even if he plowed into them while escorted by an honor brigade of moose cavalry.

I guess I almost make your point when I remind you that our GG is a "she".

I couldn't name a single GG in all of Canadian history.

Lord Stanley?  Viscount Byng?  The Marquess of Lansdowne?

[The Minsky Moment]

Viscount Byng? 

The only reason why I know him is b/c the thread we had here about the McKenzie King dissolution crisis.

[Neil]

Viscount Byng? 

The only reason why I know him is b/c the thread we had here about the McKenzie King dissolution crisis.

He was one of the Great Commanders of the Great War.  Stanley has his Cup, and Lansdowne was the greatest of the Indian Viceroys.

[Sheilbh]

Lord Stanley?  Viscount Byng?  The Marquess of Lansdowne?

Michelle Jean and Romeo LeBlanc are the only ones I know :sadblush:

[Razgovory]

Well it is a backwater of a dead empire.  It's like asking someone to name a governor of Pannonia inferior.

[The Minsky Moment]

Lansdowne was the greatest of the Indian Viceroys.

I'd heard of Lansdowne, just not that he was GG of Canada at some point in an otherwise illustrative career.