Warming Arctic should be cooling, study finds

[jimmy olsen]

Doesn't this mean global warming has saved us from a return of the ice age which would have destroyed civilization?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32675876/ns/us_news-environment/

Warming Arctic should be cooling, study finds
Sediment samples, computer simulations track temps back 2,000 years

AP
updated 2 hours, 12 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The Arctic is warmer than it's been in 2,000 years, according to a new study, even though it should be cooling because of changes in the Earth's orbit that cause the region to get less direct sunlight.

Indeed, the Arctic had been cooling for nearly two millennia before reversing course in the last century and starting to warm as human activities added greenhouse gases to the atmosphere.

"If it hadn't been for the increase in human-produced greenhouse gases, summer temperatures in the Arctic should have cooled gradually over the last century," said Bette Otto-Bliesner, a National Center for Atmospheric Research scientist and co-author of the study on Arctic temperatures that was being published in Friday's edition of the journal Science.

The most recent 10-year interval, 1999-2008, was the warmest of the last 2,000 years in the Arctic, according to the researchers led by Darrell Kaufman, a professor of geology and environmental science at Northern Arizona University.

Study: 2.5 degrees warmer
Summer temperatures in the Arctic averaged 2.5 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than would have been expected if the cooling had continued, the researchers said.

The finding adds fuel to the debate over a House-passed climate bill now pending in the Senate. The administration-backed measure would impose the first limits on greenhouse gases and eventually would lead to an 80 percent reduction by putting a price on each ton of climate-altering pollution.

It is the latest in a drumbeat of reports on warming conditions in the Arctic, including:

    * A marine scientist reports that Alaskan waters are turning acidic from absorbing greenhouse gases faster than tropical waters, potentially endangering the state's $4.6 billion fishing industry.
    * NASA satellite measurements show that sea ice in the Arctic is more than just shrinking in area, it is dramatically thinning. The volume of older crucial sea ice in the Arctic has shrunk by 57 percent from the winter of 2004 to 2008.
    * Global warming effects in Alaska also include shrinking glaciers, coastal erosion and the march north of destructive forest beetles formerly held in check by cold winters.

And with the melting of land-based ice, such as the massive Greenland ice cap, sea levels could rise across the world, threatening millions who live in coastal cities.

The new report is based on a decade-by-decade reconstruction of temperatures over the past 2,000 years developed using information from ancient lake sediments, ice cores, tree rings and other samples. The findings were then compared with complex computer climate model simulations.

Expert: Gases 'overwhelming' system
"This study provides us with a long-term record that reveals how greenhouse gases from human activities are overwhelming the Arctic's natural climate system," commented NCAR scientist David Schneider, a co-author on the study.

"This result is particularly important because the Arctic, perhaps more than any other region on Earth, is facing dramatic impacts from climate change," he added.

Added Jonathan Overpeck, a University of Arizona professor of geosciences: "The Arctic should be very sensitive to human-caused climate change, and our results suggest that indeed it is."

In addition, he pointed out, as the Arctic warms there is less snow and ice to reflect solar energy back into space and the newly exposed dark soil and dark ocean surfaces absorb solar energy and warm further, accelerating the warming process.

The Arctic cooling had been the result of a 21,000-year cycle in the Earth's movement that caused the far north to get progressively less summertime energy from the sun for the last 8,000 years. That process won't reverse for another several thousand years.

The research was funded by the National Science Foundation.

The experts said their research added 1,600 years to the Arctic temperature record, far beyond the 400 years previously available at that level of detail.

© 2009 The Associated Press.

[Strix]

It doesn't matter really. If it warms, cools, or stays the same it is all the fault of Global Warming and ultimately mankind.

[Darth Wagtaros]

I blame Jaron.  And America.

[Warspite]

Then our work is a success! Promotions all round!

[Darth Wagtaros]

The world may be fucked, but nobody would do anything about it anyway, so why worry?

[Razgovory]

Tim, master of deductive reasoning.

[Caliga]

Yes, this is not the first time I've heard that.  Anyway, I've been consistently lobbying for a MASSIVE increase in greenhouse gases.  I don't just want to maintain the status quo, I want the tropics to extend to the Canadian border.

[Josephus]

Yes, this is not the first time I've heard that.  Anyway, I've been consistently lobbying for a MASSIVE increase in greenhouse gases.  I don't just want to maintain the status quo, I want the tropics to extend to the Canadian border.

AMEN

[Caliga]

Dude, I'm serious.

I don't think all the people bleating about global warming really know for sure it's going to be a disaster of epic proportions like they are saying.  I don't see why it'd be bad for Siberia, for example, to be opened up for large scale agriculture. 

The planet has been so hot at various periods in the past that the poles were temperate or even subtropical, and it didn't blow up or anything.

Anyway, we are the masters of this planet and it is our property to do what we want with.

[Ed Anger]

Yes, this is not the first time I've heard that.  Anyway, I've been consistently lobbying for a MASSIVE increase in greenhouse gases.  I don't just want to maintain the status quo, I want the tropics to extend to the Canadian border.

I'll fart more.

[Caliga]

Waah, I ended a sentence with a preposition. 

[Warspite]

Waah, I ended a sentence with a preposition. 

For which you shall have to be punished.

[Neil]

Yes, this is not the first time I've heard that.  Anyway, I've been consistently lobbying for a MASSIVE increase in greenhouse gases.  I don't just want to maintain the status quo, I want the tropics to extend to the Canadian border.

In such a situation, is it not likely that Kentucky would become rather uncomfortable and dry, being so far inland?

[Caliga]

Define 'uncomfortable'.

I don't know about the dry bit, and Kentucky isn't THAT far inland (at least not compared to Alberta).  It's only an eight hour drive to Charleston, SC.    But seriously, Gulf weather dominates our summers now, and I'm not sure why that would change.

[Neil]

Define 'uncomfortable'.

I don't know about the dry bit, and Kentucky isn't THAT far inland (at least not compared to Alberta).  It's only an eight hour drive to Charleston, SC.    But seriously, Gulf weather dominates our summers now, and I'm not sure why that would change.

Because it would take a large increase to make Canada's weather tropical.  If Canada has tropical weather, then Kentucky's weather is going to be significantly warmer.