Libyan leader Gaddafi files motion to partition Switzerland at UN

[Siege]

Ok, give me an example in which the end does not justify the means.

And do not choose some stupid unrealistic end that no democracy would back.

[Berkut]

Ok, give me an example in which the end does not justify the means.

And do not choose some stupid unrealistic end that no democracy would back.

Me being desirous of a cheeseburger does not justify me shooting you in the face to take yours.

[Jaron]

Ok, give me an example in which the end does not justify the means.

And do not choose some stupid unrealistic end that no democracy would back.

The Final Solution

[Siege]

Ok, ok, we were talking modern politics.

[grumbler]

What I meant was that after the democratically elected socialist Allende was diposed in a CIA sponsored military coup in Chile, that country went down the drain. What might have happend to Chile had the CIA decided not to meddle where they weren't supposed to we will never know, but it could hardly have been worse.
So any attempts by the US government and media to paint Chavez as a left-wing populist demagouge sounds rather hollow.

Given that Adolf Hitler was a European, it is sanctimonious and completely hollow for any European to have any opinions about any non-European country, government, or citizens.  That goes for the European media as well.  Hitler was an evil, evil man who has destroyed forever the credibility of all of his fellow-Europeans.

[Razgovory]

He was doing it just to get laid.

We he was very successful then by all accounts.

Indeed.  It really turns the "ends justify the means" discussion on it's head.  The collapse of a government in some south American shit hole is a small price to pay to get to bang some Hollywood starlet.

[grumbler]

FFS the point I'm trying to make is that the CIA and the US government removed the Chilean peoples right for self-determination, and that after the coup Chiles economy went down the drain. If it was a cause of Allendes policys or because of the selling of public owned companies after the coup I do not know and is irrelevant.

FFS learn some real history and not this made-up crap about how it was the CIA that overthrew Allende.  Sure, the US supported his overthrow, and the CIA provided some support and funding, but the coup was entirely Chilean, and would almost certainly have occurred when and as it did, given Allende's perceived commitment to abolish the Chilean legislature via a plebiscite.

Allende was not the beacon of democracy you so credulously assert (though, of course, neither were his opponents).  Democracy was extremely fragile in Chile when Allende took office, but he ignored that fact and proceeded to act as though he had been elected dictator and not president.

[grumbler]

Not to mention that there are striking similarites between Allende's Chile and Chavez' Venezuela such as that boh wished to nationalise natural resources (copper in Chile and Oil in Venezuela) owned by major corporations based in the USA.

Chavez has nationalized huge swaths of the economy and the US has just sat on its hands.  Its not 1973 anymore, the Cold War is long over.  If third world countries want to commit economic suicide the US doesn't interfere anymore.

What is especially amusing about Ape's made-up "facts" about the US government's control of the US media is that he matches it with made-up "facts" about Chavez nationalizing Venezuela's oil industry (which has, of course, been nationalized for thirty-plus years) and he is so disdainful of the truth that he didn't even check to see if any of his "facts" were even remotely plausible enough to give cover to the less-plausible ones! 

[Berkut]

You guys are totally missing the point.

[jimmy olsen]

You guys are totally missing the point.

Yes, Switzerland should be partitioned along ethno-linguistic lines.

[Admiral Yi]

What kind of propoganda does the US media report? All I ever see them doing is reporting Chavez' statements.

[Razgovory]

Allende was not the beacon of democracy you so credulously assert (though, of course, neither were his opponents).  Democracy was extremely fragile in Chile when Allende took office, but he ignored that fact and proceeded to act as though he had been elected dictator and not president.

I dunno, these sound alot like the arguments for the Nationalist in Spain.

[Admiral Yi]

I dunno, these sound alot like the arguments for the Nationalist in Spain.

Spain 36 and Chile 73 are very similar situations.

[Eddie Teach]

You guys are totally missing the point.

Yes, Switzerland should be partitioned along ethno-linguistic lines.

Switzerland should make English their official language and the problem will disappear.

[HisMajestyBOB]

Switzerland, Venezuela, and Chile should all be partitioned and destroyed.