Libyan leader Gaddafi files motion to partition Switzerland at UN

[Valmy]

I don't think the current administration within the USA has been in office long enough for anyone to give a verdict to that, however I hope and I do believe that the current administration will refrain from such action, but you can never know for certain 

The context of the Cold War means nothing to you?  Do you think we did all of that for fun?  Can you name ONE CIA coup since 1989?

So the former US government did not call for an economic and diplomatic isolation of Venezuela from it's neighbours?

The standard now for interfering with self-determination is now not having any foreign policy at all?  Being completely mute on everything?

We have not lifted a finger to hurt Venezuela in any way, but it seems saying mean things is the same as a military coup.  How dare we not kiss the ass of a nation that proclaims its mission to disrupt our interests.

I mean are we still allowed to have a foreign policy Ape or does that offend you too much?

[Eddie Teach]

So is Lula da Silva and we love him. 

That's a bit of an overstatement. The media certainly beat the "blue eyes" statement to death.

[Valmy]

That's a bit of an overstatement. The media certainly beat the "blue eyes" statement to death.

Well I do and I speak for America.

[Razgovory]

The context of the Cold War means nothing to you?  Do you think we did all of that for fun?  Can you name ONE CIA coup since 1989?

Haiti.

[Valmy]

Haiti.

Oh yeah I had forgotten about that one...almost 20 years ago now.  What was the deal there?

[Ape]

Nicaragua

Iran-Contra?  The thing our Congress forbade doing but some fucks in the executive branch did anyway?  Putting that on the whole country is really unfair.  Now the shit we did in the EARLY 20th century in Nicaragua was pretty fucked up.

Vietnam

We thought we were defending an allied state from attack.  Were you also mad we stepped in against North Korea?  But again that was all over by 1975 so how is that late 20th, early 21st century?

Kuwait I couldn't care less about

Ok then.

Chile

What have we done since 1974?

Cuba

Yeah so we have an embargo but that is totally petty and driven by the need to please Cuban emigres.  It is stupid I grant you that but how does that help self determination?  I have a real hard time seeing a single party dictatorship like Cuba being a shining example of self-determination.

Iraq

Saddam Hussein and the Ba'ath party: a shining example of self-determination.  Are you shitting me?

Greece

Again we had nothing to do with the Military taking power we just supported them, for strategic reasons because of that Cold War thing.  Also this did not take place in the late 20th century or the 21st century.

Italy

Huh?

Guatemala

Hey now that was 1954.  You cannot possibly be this ignorant about dates.

Brazil, Argentina

??? huh?

to name a few

So far all I got is that you hate us for shit done during the Cold War, but hey it was dirty work and we were the poor bastards who had to combat the Soviets we certainly did not want to do all that cloak and dagger shit.  But I thought you were talking about the late 20th, early 21st century here?

Also you think Saddam Hussein was a great example of national self-determination, but come on now man!  It is not like we installed another dictator we are trying to set up a popular controlled government.

Seriously though, what do you have from the LATE 20th and 21st centuries?

In a historical sense the 20th century lasted from 1914 to 1991 according to Hobsbwam   just as the 19th century lasted from 1789 to 1914, now cold war and later is in a historical meaning late 20th century. What happened in 1950 has more in common with what happend in 1990 then what happend in 1940.

Contras, yes your executive branch fucked up, now which part of the US government decides foreign policy? It sure ain't the supreme court. And I'm not putting in on all of the USA, just the US governments foreign policy

Iraq, sorry I meant the Iran coup in -53 when the CIA worked with the British to overthrow the democratic government.

Vietnam, sorry, that is a major interferance that was fucked up badly.

Chile the CIA sponsored the coup in -73

Cuba, bay of pigs

Greece, aid to the Royalist Greeks in the Greek civil war 46-49

Italy, CIA sponsored assassination of union and communists leaders, supressing of commnist voters in the immidiate Italian post-war elections

Guatemala, yes -54 see definition of late 20th century above

Brazil -64 CIA aided coup against a democratic government

Argentina -76, CIA aided coup against a democratic government

[Razgovory]

Haiti.

Oh yeah I had forgotten about that one...almost 20 years ago now.  What was the deal there?

Who the fuck knows?  It was quickly reversed.  Though I seriously doubt it would have mattered one way or another.  Country is a basket case.  Mostly due to the French.

[Razgovory]

In a historical sense the 20th century lasted from 1914 to 1991 according to Hobsbwam

The commie?  I'm surprised that he just didn't say the world ended in 1991.

[Ape]

In a historical sense the 20th century lasted from 1914 to 1991 according to Hobsbwam

The commie?  I'm surprised that he just didn't say the world ended in 1991.

Have you even read his book? If not then I think you ought to retract that statement, he severly critisized the Soviet Union.

[Jaron]

Yay for making up our own definitions for centuries.

[Ape]

Yay for making up our own definitions for centuries.

Not really, one of the definitions of the 20th century is the rise and fall of communism, the rise began in 1914, and it fell in 1991.

[The Minsky Moment]

So the former US government did not call for an economic and diplomatic isolation of Venezuela from it's neighbours?

Not that I am aware of.  More the other way around.

[Ape]

So the former US government did not call for an economic and diplomatic isolation of Venezuela from it's neighbours?

Not that I am aware of.  More the other way around.

A sorry it was Chavez
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2138916720070122

[Siege]

In a historical sense the 20th century lasted from 1914 to 1991 according to Hobsbwam

The commie?  I'm surprised that he just didn't say the world ended in 1991.

Have you even read his book? If not then I think you ought to retract that statement, he severly critisized the Soviet Union.

Yeah, for failing to take over the world liberating the proletariad.

[Siege]

Yay for making up our own definitions for centuries.

Not really, one of the definitions of the 20th century is the rise and fall of communism, the rise began in 1914, and it fell in 1991.

No duce.

20th Cnetury is frm 1900 to 1999.