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[Berkut]

What the hell were you and mystery man doing last night any way?

What do you mean?

Arv is a friend and co-worker of mine. He was on a POS bashing Op, and I was working on a patch release of the software we write, and we were having some issues, so we were talking about it.

[Alcibiades]

Yeah...lot of mumbo jumbo flying around in the channel.  Wasn't sure what was going on.   

[MadBurgerMaker]

We have been very pleasantly surprised by the number of corps expressing an interest in joining since the war with the Goon pets started, especially when IRC did not fold in a week as Goebbels/Mittani predicted.

Yes, things were going swimmingly for you guys over there before the SOLAR intervention.  Those are Russians you should be cheering for, btw.

Also:  "Goon pets"?  Jesus...and to think the GS directors offered to sell you people even more territory...

[Berkut]

Oh please, things were going ok, considering the Goons and their NAPfest sent about 8 different alliances up against us (but not the Goons themselves, of course - they are much too busy taking R64 moons for themselves to bother).

The point is we did not fold, and held out pretty well in fact, despite the ridiculous numbers, the treachery from within, and Goons standard lies and betrayals.

When the 800lb gorilla of Eve confidently plays their meta game, steals a shitload of caps, then send all their little pets after you, and you don't fall apart, then that is in fact pretty cool. May not matter in the end, but meh, so what? All you can do is resist them as long as possible.

you are a foot soldier in the army of the Reich MBM. A faithful and loyal peasant fighting for people who would screw you in an instant if it meant they could get a laugh out of it.

[MadBurgerMaker]

Oh please, things were going ok, considering the Goons and their NAPfest sent about 8 different alliances up against us (but not the Goons themselves, of course - they are much too busy taking R64 moons for themselves to bother).

The point is we did not fold, and held out pretty well in fact, despite the ridiculous numbers, the treachery from within, and Goons standard lies and betrayals.

Your invasion failed miserably, and you were being invaded back.  That's not "ok," nor is that "holding out pretty well."  Even with Mactep and SOLAR, who are GS allies, btw, there's still fighting going on in your home regions (that came from GoonSwarm).

When the 800lb gorilla of Eve confidently plays their meta game, steals a shitload of caps, then send all their little pets after you, and you don't fall apart, then that is in fact pretty cool. May not matter in the end, but meh, so what? All you can do is resist them as long as possible.

What little pets?  Are you talking about RA?  Some of the NC people? 

Edit:  And wasn't it one of your own corps who stole all that shit from you and went "fuck IRC"??

Edit2:  Yes...TITTS....They're a member of ZAF now, who are still our allies.

you are a foot soldier in the army of the Reich MBM. A faithful and loyal peasant fighting for people who would screw you in an instant if it meant they could get a laugh out of it.

Um.....a foot soldier in the army of the Reich?    Mittani is Goebbels too.  What...did they make you some sort of propaganda director or morale director or some shit?

[Berkut]

If they did, I certainly would not spend my time on Languish of all places, would I?

There isn't anyone to propagandize to - and I am nothing in IRC, just calling it like I see it.

[MadBurgerMaker]

If they did, I certainly would not spend my time on Languish of all places, would I?

  Why wouldn't you come to Languish? 

There isn't anyone to propagandize to - and I am nothing in IRC, just calling it like I see it.

So you actually see GoonSwarm as some weird video game Nazi Germany?  Really? 

Also:

What little pets?  Are you talking about RA?  Some of the NC people?

What pets are you talking about?  I would like to know.

[Berkut]

Oh please, things were going ok, considering the Goons and their NAPfest sent about 8 different alliances up against us (but not the Goons themselves, of course - they are much too busy taking R64 moons for themselves to bother).

The point is we did not fold, and held out pretty well in fact, despite the ridiculous numbers, the treachery from within, and Goons standard lies and betrayals.

Your invasion failed miserably, and you were being invaded back.  That's not "ok," nor is that "holding out pretty well."  Even with Mactep and SOLAR, who are GS allies, btw, there's still fighting going on in your home regions (that came from GoonSwarm).

Actually our "invasion" was going just fine until the Goons got all their pets to break their blue status and sent them all after IRC/ED. And yes, when it is IRC/ED against all the Goon pets, outnumbered 3 or 4 to 1, and after the Goons did their little meta game crap, AND trumpeted how we would fold in a week or two, we did just fine, and are doing just fine.

When the 800lb gorilla of Eve confidently plays their meta game, steals a shitload of caps, then send all their little pets after you, and you don't fall apart, then that is in fact pretty cool. May not matter in the end, but meh, so what? All you can do is resist them as long as possible.

What little pets?  Are you talking about RA?  Some of the NC people? 

All the various alliances that Goon sent against IRC/ED, of course - including RA and such, after the constructed war.

Edit:  And wasn't it one of your own corps who stole all that shit from you and went "fuck IRC"??

No, it was a Goon spy, which of course you know. I don't understand why you are regurgitating this crap here - we both know what actually happened, so what is the point? it is like the original crap about how the war started between RA and IRC to begin with.

I understand the Goon strategy of propaganda in general, but why are you playing along in what is essentially a private forum? Why are you insisting that the Poles really did attack the german radio station - when there isn't anyone to actually convince?

[Alcibiades]

On a totally unrelated note....leaving the IDA....have to do something...haven't had a reason to log in...

[Berkut]

If they did, I certainly would not spend my time on Languish of all places, would I?

  Why wouldn't you come to Languish? 

If my job was to propagandize for IRC, what would be the point of doing so on Languish, when there isn't anyone to propagandize too?

That is why I don't understand why you insist on repeating the propaganda of GS here - we both know it isn't true, so what is the point? Mittani et all do a great job of spreading their crap, but they do so publicly, where it can do some good, so that makes sense.

What are you hoping to gain by repeating it as if you really believed it to be true, when we both know it isn't?

There isn't anyone to propagandize to - and I am nothing in IRC, just calling it like I see it.

So you actually see GoonSwarm as some weird video game Nazi Germany?  Really? 

I see GS as everything that sucks about MP games writ large. Their goal is not to win, but to grief and ruin the game for others, and they will do anything to do just that. They are astoundingly good at it, mores the pity. This is SOP for the Something Awful crowd, of course, and they will say the same thing.

I am always surprised though why they get so much support from others who are not coming from SA though. I get why SA does it - their idea of fun is griefing. There are those kinds in all games. but what makes them so lame is the lemmings that follow them. They make BoB look like paragons of virtue.

[Berkut]

On a totally unrelated note....leaving the IDA....have to do something...haven't had a reason to log in...

Join PRCP, and come fight against the Russians.

We probably won't win (I am pretty sure that once/if we do turn things around against RA GS will just take the time to smash us), but there is plenty of fighting, and you can be part of the small minority standing up to the new Evil Empire.

[MadBurgerMaker]

Actually our "invasion" was going just fine until the Goons got all their pets to break their blue status and sent them all after IRC/ED. And yes, when it is IRC/ED against all the Goon pets, outnumbered 3 or 4 to 1, and after the Goons did their little meta game crap, AND trumpeted how we would fold in a week or two, we did just fine, and are doing just fine.

What did you think would happen when you invaded RA space?

All the various alliances that Goon sent against IRC/ED, of course - including RA and such, after the constructed war.

"Constructed" war?  Do tell.  You know...for this huge evil empire that can control every aspect of the game, GoonSwarm really seem to fuck it all up quite a bit.  You never did explain why "we" would...fabricate...this war between RA/Whoever and IRC/ED and therefore distracting them while they were actively helping us against some other Russians and KenZoku. 

RA as a pet?  Lol?  And you know who SOLAR is, right?  You know where they (or a bunch of them) came from, right?  Mactep?  Name ring a bell?

No, it was a Goon spy, which of course you know. I don't understand why you are regurgitating this crap here - we both know what actually happened, so what is the point? it is like the original crap about how the war started between RA and IRC to begin with.

So it wasn't TITTS?  One alt of a character that is active in GS took all that shit?  Really?  Gobblock?  So where did TITTS get all that stuff they have from?

I understand the Goon strategy of propaganda in general, but why are you playing along in what is essentially a private forum? Why are you insisting that the Poles really did attack the german radio station - when there isn't anyone to actually convince?

Um.....

Edit: 

If my job was to propagandize for IRC, what would be the point of doing so on Languish, when there isn't anyone to propagandize too?

That is why I don't understand why you insist on repeating the propaganda of GS here - we both know it isn't true, so what is the point? Mittani et all do a great job of spreading their crap, but they do so publicly, where it can do some good, so that makes sense.

What are you hoping to gain by repeating it as if you really believed it to be true, when we both know it isn't?

So...you're going on with the whole Nazi Germany/Evil Empire/drone foot soldier type stuff........why?

I see GS as everything that sucks about MP games writ large. Their goal is not to win, but to grief and ruin the game for others, and they will do anything to do just that. They are astoundingly good at it, mores the pity. This is SOP for the Something Awful crowd, of course, and they will say the same thing.

I am always surprised though why they get so much support from others who are not coming from SA though. I get why SA does it - their idea of fun is griefing. There are those kinds in all games. but what makes them so lame is the lemmings that follow them. They make BoB look like paragons of virtue.

[Alcibiades]

On a totally unrelated note....leaving the IDA....have to do something...haven't had a reason to log in...

Join PRCP, and come fight against the Russians.

We probably won't win (I am pretty sure that once/if we do turn things around against RA GS will just take the time to smash us), but there is plenty of fighting, and you can be part of the small minority standing up to the new Evil Empire.

I would...but I haven't "evolved" to the point where I find being on as many KM's as possible 'fun'. 

Joining one of the corps we griefed, they're moving into low sec now, and 0.0 shortly.   

[Berkut]

Actually our "invasion" was going just fine until the Goons got all their pets to break their blue status and sent them all after IRC/ED. And yes, when it is IRC/ED against all the Goon pets, outnumbered 3 or 4 to 1, and after the Goons did their little meta game crap, AND trumpeted how we would fold in a week or two, we did just fine, and are doing just fine.

What did you think would happen when you invaded RA space?

I don't know, nobody asked me. But we didn't start that war, RA did - what did they think would happen?

I guess they didn't think we would actually ATTACK them in response, and apparently that kind of pissed GS off.

All the various alliances that Goon sent against IRC/ED, of course - including RA and such, after the constructed war.

"Constructed" war?  Do tell.

RA started the war, IRC invaded, RA realized they had bitten off more than they really wanted to chew, and GS bailed them out.

I still wonder if the entire thing was not orchestrated by GS so they would have a reason to grief IRC who was supposedly an ally at the time. Was the chance at stealing a bunch of shit from IRC and getting to crow about on CAOD just too good to pass up?

RA as a pet?  Lol?  And you know who SOLAR is, right?  You know where they (or a bunch of them) came from, right?  Mactep?  Name ring a bell?

Not at all. I know what the relationship used to be between GS and RA, and I know what it is now.

how can you say anything other than that they are a pet? RA got in trouble, GS shook out all the other pets to bail them out.

No, it was a Goon spy, which of course you know. I don't understand why you are regurgitating this crap here - we both know what actually happened, so what is the point? it is like the original crap about how the war started between RA and IRC to begin with.

So it wasn't TITTS?  One alt of a character that is active in GS took all that shit?  So where did TITTS get all that stuff they have from?

Huh? What are you babbling about? Of course it was Saba from TITTS, that isn't the point. He was a GS spy, and he did the normal GS spy thing. AWE fucked up by letting him do it - but such is the nature of EVE. The game is poorly designed in that respect, since they allow the meta gaming, but do not make any attempt to keep it in any kind of balance.

The real surprise though is that after losing 20 caps and half a titan, the predictions of immediate folding did not happen, even after GS (not surprisingly) lied about resolving the issue. Why IRC high command even agreed to discuss it is beyond me though - they ahd to know that the only reason it was even being offered was to get some more LOLZ for the Goonies.

I understand the Goon strategy of propaganda in general, but why are you playing along in what is essentially a private forum? Why are you insisting that the Poles really did attack the german radio station - when there isn't anyone to actually convince?

Seems like a pretty simple question - why are you repeating things you know are not true, and you know I know are not true? I know why GS does it in general, I don't know why you are bothering here though.

[MadBurgerMaker]

I don't know, nobody asked me. But we didn't start that war, RA did - what did they think would happen?

I guess they didn't think we would actually ATTACK them in response, and apparently that kind of pissed GS off.

RA started the war, IRC invaded, RA realized they had bitten off more than they really wanted to chew, and GS bailed them out.

I still wonder if the entire thing was not orchestrated by GS so they would have a reason to grief IRC who was supposedly an ally at the time. Was the chance at stealing a bunch of shit from IRC and getting to crow about on CAOD just too good to pass up?

Yeah, you still haven't told me why this would benefit GoonSwarm or RA in any way at all at a time when they and we are actively fighting an enemy much much more powerful than IRC/ED.  This really didn't help UNL any.  I would also like to know why IRC was one of the alliances that GS offered Querious to if GS was just planning on having our pets destroy you?

It doesn't make sense at all.  What does is IRC/ED seeing GS leave very abruptly, RA involved with AAA/Etc, and thinking they could make a territory grab.  That actually makes a whole helluva lot more sense than RA attacking both AAA/etc and IRC/ED at the same time.  Red Alliance leadership has never really come across as monumentally stupid to me...

Not at all. I know what the relationship used to be between GS and RA, and I know what it is now.

how can you say anything other than that they are a pet? RA got in trouble, GS shook out all the other pets to bail them out.

Shouldn't they be fighting in Querious or something then, instead of the drone regions against you people?  The Red Alliance capital fleet would really be a big help in their time zone.

Huh? What are you babbling about? Of course it was Saba from TITTS, that isn't the point. He was a GS spy, and he did the normal GS spy thing. AWE fucked up by letting him do it - but such is the nature of EVE. The game is poorly designed in that respect, since they allow the meta gaming, but do not make any attempt to keep it in any kind of balance.

The...er....normal spy thing...doesn't generally seem to involve an entire corporation taking everything and joining a different alliance.

The real surprise though is that after losing 20 caps and half a titan, the predictions of immediate folding did not happen, even after GS (not surprisingly) lied about resolving the issue. Why IRC high command even agreed to discuss it is beyond me though - they ahd to know that the only reason it was even being offered was to get some more LOLZ for the Goonies.

Indeed.  LOLZ for the Goonies.

Really though...I can see where they were coming from about the collapse after reading various logs from IRC, etc.  Congrats on not failure cascading.

Seems like a pretty simple question - why are you repeating things you know are not true, and you know I know are not true? I know why GS does it in general, I don't know why you are bothering here though.

I really don't think you know why GS does anything.