RIP Edward Kennedy

[Maximus]

I'm arguing that it wasn't a murder.

How could it not be murder, unless you are arguing in a strictly legal sense which is largely irrelevant at this point. He's not going to face legal charges any time soon.

He knowingly committed a felony, and in so doing caused the death of another person. I don't see how you could argue that that is not the moral equivalent of murder. All this in addition to what he did or did not do afterward.

Drunkenness is not a defense.

[The Minsky Moment]

In some states it is now theoretically possible to charge a drunk driver with felony murder if death results, but these kinds of cases are more typically charged as manslaughters or vehicular homicides because the state of mind is usually easier to prove.

Don't know what Mass law was like in 69 but generally speaking laws on these kinds of issues have gotten much more strict over time; I doubt a murder prosecution was even theoretically possible back then.

[Maximus]

In many states it is now theoretically possible to charge a drunk driver with felony murder if death results, but these kinds of cases are more typically charged as manslaughters or vehicular homicides because the state of mind is usually easier to prove.

Don't know what Mass law was like in 69 but generally speaking laws on these kinds of issues have gotten much more strict over time; I doubt a murder prosecution was even theoretically possible back then.

I agree, which is why I was not arguing in a legal sense.

[Valmy]

I was at the Gym last night and the cable "news" stations were all worshipping this guy like some sort of patron saint of all that noble and good about politics.

[Barrister]

The only line noise in this thread is Berkut's despicable and tasteless trolling.

Shoo.

If you are only going to pollute this thread with nonsense, then I ask that you please cease and desist.

RIP Ted, you were the last of the great Senators.

[Eddie Teach]

How could it not be murder, unless you are arguing in a strictly legal sense which is largely irrelevant at this point. He's not going to face legal charges any time soon.

He knowingly committed a felony, and in so doing caused the death of another person. I don't see how you could argue that that is not the moral equivalent of murder. All this in addition to what he did or did not do afterward.

Drunkenness is not a defense.

You're arguing from a legal sense yourself, morally there's no such thing as a "felony."

[KRonn]

I was at the Gym last night and the cable "news" stations were all worshipping this guy like some sort of patron saint of all that noble and good about politics.

Yeah, it gets to be too much. Ceremonies, motorcades and such started yesterday, so there was probably even more coverage. But I mostly do what I usually do with uber coverage of events, celebs, etc. I change the station. At least it wasn't on 24/7 like is often done with some other events, as I seemed to have few problems finding other news.

[Caliga]

I was at the Gym last night and the cable "news" stations were all worshipping this guy like some sort of patron saint of all that noble and good about politics.

Be sure to only ever watch FOX News.

[KRonn]

I was at the Gym last night and the cable "news" stations were all worshipping this guy like some sort of patron saint of all that noble and good about politics.

Be sure to only ever watch FOX News.

FOX had plenty of fawning coverage also.

[Caliga]

FOX had plenty of fawning coverage also.

[Maximus]

You're arguing from a legal sense yourself, morally there's no such thing as a "felony."

Alright, fair point. I'll amend that part to a reprehensible act, known to put others at serious risk of death and bodily harm.

[Eddie Teach]

FOX had plenty of fawning coverage also.

The only good liberal is a dead liberal.

[grumbler]

I am well known for my concern for dead fetuses.

Please don't feed the troll.

[jimmy olsen]

Why Ted? Where does that nickname come from?

[Jaron]

ITS SHORT FOR EDWARD YOU NIMROD