Victoria 2

[Jaron]

Q3 2010

[Octavian]

Q3 2010

Danke!

I'll get it in 2012 then.

[HVC]

You should beat him anyway. 

Threating me with violence is not the best way to intice me into buying a game

that being said i'll probably get it. i really like Vicky 1, and the MP (while very buggy) was fun.

[MadImmortalMan]

Q3 2010

Danke!

I'll get it in 2012 then.

If we're all still alive.

[DGuller]

Now that units are tied to the soldier POPs, doesn't it make genocide easier to engineer?  Recruit units from the minority POPs, send them to patrol Sahara, and watch the undesirables melt away.

[HVC]

Now that units are tied to the soldier POPs, doesn't it make genocide easier to engineer?  Recruit units from the minority POPs, send them to patrol Sahara, and watch the undesirables melt away.

Planning your gulags already? Once a russian, always a russian

[HisMajestyBOB]

Now that units are tied to the soldier POPs, doesn't it make genocide easier to engineer?  Recruit units from the minority POPs, send them to patrol Sahara, and watch the undesirables melt away.

Since you can no longer manually change pop jobs, it could be that minority pops are less likely to join the military.

[Fireblade]

Did Bismarck ever personally lead a battle? From the front?

Did Robert E. Lee ever lead a Confederate invasion of India to capture more niggers for the cotton fields?

[Queequeg]

Now that units are tied to the soldier POPs, doesn't it make genocide easier to engineer?  Recruit units from the minority POPs, send them to patrol Sahara, and watch the undesirables melt away.

To be fair, that's almost exactly what the Turks did, just replace "Sahara" with "Syria".

[Habbaku]

http://www.gamereactor.eu/grtv/?id=6855&l=Preview&sid=93da1d2857409ef9eb659d0048e3495f

Goddammit.  I'm going to have to buy this now.

[Liep]

http://www.gamereactor.eu/grtv/?id=6855&l=Preview&sid=93da1d2857409ef9eb659d0048e3495f

Goddammit.  I'm going to have to buy this now.

"What we're very proud of... the map looks kinda nice"

[Tamas]

http://www.gamereactor.eu/grtv/?id=6855&l=Preview&sid=93da1d2857409ef9eb659d0048e3495f

Goddammit.  I'm going to have to buy this now.

Well, the screenies in the last dev diary regarding reforms do look promising, however, on that very topic, was one of my biggest caveats with Vicky1: namely that it was made by Swedes living in blissful scandweenian socialism. Besides monetary concerns there were no other negative aspects for reforming fully ASAP, and that was not the way it was.

[The Minsky Moment]

Besides monetary concerns there were no other negative aspects for reforming fully ASAP, and that was not the way it was.

Putting aside "monetary concerns" what exactly are the other negative aspects to the free press, safety regulations, the 12 hour workday etc.?

[Drakken]

Besides monetary concerns there were no other negative aspects for reforming fully ASAP, and that was not the way it was.

Putting aside "monetary concerns" what exactly are the other negative aspects to the free press, safety regulations, the 12 hour workday etc.?

The free press, through constant criticism and monitoring of the government as mudrackers, should cause higher militancy and consciousness for masses. Aristocrats, Capitalists, and Conservatives/Reactionaries would not be amused, and it would increase the chances of extreme ideologies taking hold among the population.

In theory, any work safety regulations should translate into a higher cost for building factories and producing goods, and thus lower profits from Capitalists. The problem, however, is that it didn't. The costs were merely fronted by the government as a money sink.

In Vicky1 I see no reason NOT to promulgate reforms, when in real life these reforms would have driven the Conservatives and Capitalists-lead parties completely nuts and up in arms to have these repealed off ASAP. 

[The Minsky Moment]

First of all, reforms do in fact piss off conservative pops: political reforms give higher militancy to aristocrats, officers and clergymen (and capitalist for the trade union reforms); social reforms give higher militancy to most of the above three plus the capitalists.

Second historically I think there is little evidence to demonstrate that regimes that pursued aggressive censorship proved more stable and less prone to riots than regimes that allowed free press.  A free press can be a useful safety valve, and historically, the 19th century free press was just as likely to give rise to jingoistic yellow journalism or gossipy sensationalism then to hardhitting investigative muckracking.

Third, some of the social reforms do impact factory efficiency.  Work hours definitely do, and I think safety may as well.  The other reforms don't have any obvious connection to lower production efficiency.