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What makes a person a particular race?

Started by merithyn, August 13, 2009, 09:27:38 PM

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Quote from: derspiess on August 15, 2009, 07:15:40 PM
Quote from: katmai on August 15, 2009, 01:55:15 PM
So wait meri is planning on apply to school as white hispanic?

So I guess I should start calling her mrs. Dorsey4heisman.

So Meri = wannabeaner?  :unsure:

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merithyn

Quote from: katmai on August 15, 2009, 01:55:15 PM
So wait meri is planning on apply to school as white hispanic?

So I guess I should start calling her mrs. Dorsey4heisman.

I'm intending to talk to the admissions Dean about the possibility based on my background. If she gives the okay, then I will, otherwise, no. I'm not interested in committing fraud.
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Quote from: Siege on August 16, 2009, 09:07:36 PM
I was sure it was this one.

:lol:

I'd go ahead and tell you which thread, but I forgot.  :blush:
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Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 16, 2009, 09:12:58 PM
Quote from: Siege on August 16, 2009, 09:07:36 PM
I was sure it was this one.

:lol:

I'd go ahead and tell you which thread, but I forgot.  :blush:
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Quote from: merithyn on August 14, 2009, 04:52:34 PM
since race is a social construct anyway, my opinion is a valid as anyone else's - that culture can and should be a valued part in deciding who belongs to which racial group.

If "race" is a social construct, then why can a lab determine someone's race just by analysing a vial of its blood? How can society "construct" the contents of a vial, exactly?

And if it is a social construct, then I would like to know how I and my girlfriend, both brown-haired and brown-eyed, mediterranean skin and with families composed soley of similar people, could 'socially construct' ourselves a blonde, blue-eyed, light-skinned child (naturally ours, no adoption). I am certainly interested in 'constructing' that between us.


Quote from: Martinus on August 15, 2009, 03:36:48 AM
I'm pretty sure races do not differ at a molecular level. :D

They do. DNA is molecular.

People interested in knowing their origin(s) [in the case of multiple heritages], can test themselves in many labs.

http://dnaconsultants.com/Detailed/332.html

(if you're farily sure you're only european, go here: http://dnaconsultants.com/Detailed/426.html)

Or

http://www.dnaheritage.com/mtdna.asp
(for mithochondrial DNA, via female line)

http://www.dnaheritage.com/ysnp.asp
(For Y-chromosome for males)

Map of the major human groups: http://www.dnaheritage.com/oracle/MitoMap_Letter.pdf

Quote from: DNA Lab
Each population around the world has their own long journey to tell of. Whether they stayed within Africa or took the path out of Africa, we can now track these movements with the aid of genetics.

Your DNA has changed slightly over the past 80 thousand years. We call these changes SNP's (pronounced 'snips' and short for 'Single Nucleotide Polymorphisms'). Each SNP is a change in the DNA code at one single letter. These changes only happen once in history at any one place along the DNA and can be thought of as a fork in the road.
   
If one brother had this SNP mutation, and another didn't, the brothers go separate ways. Because each of their sons respective sons will have these different mutations, and all of their descendants, we end up with two large branches of the Y-chromosome tree

If some people then traveled out of Africa they took this Y-chromosome mutation, this identifying branch with them.

If we fast forward to the present day, we now see many of these large branches all around the globe. We call these branches 'haplogroups' and we label them Haplgroup A through to Haplogroup R.

We see Haplogroup A in Africa, Haplogroup D in East Asia, Haplogroup H in India, Haplogroup I in Europe, Haplogroup M in Indonesia and Haplogroup Q in North America. And many others.


Molecular Biology has found and taught us much these last decades.


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Quote from: Jaron on August 17, 2009, 05:33:53 PM
Merithyn, you fucking carpetbagger.

I thought she was contemplating a move to Canada, if anywhere.
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Quote from: PDH on August 17, 2009, 05:08:56 PM
Jedi MtDNA is awsome, filled with little Mitachondrichlorians.

I'll borrow one of my nephew's lightsabres. I'd rather be a Sith though as the jedi are the Gestapo of the Old Republic.
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