US - Greenland Crisis Thread

[garbon]

I think his dementia is accelerating; of course the replacement is Vance, so it's not great regardless.

Vance is even more of a coward than Trump, with the added trait of being a lick boot. That can be good or bad. He can either he's cowed by the GOP (goodish), or trumps current minders (bad). Again assuming the GOP isn't totally corrupted. Which isn't guaranteed either.

Yeah, he is a wild card.

[The Minsky Moment]

I'm glad he said he was using force off the table but it just makes all his prior conduct and statements even less explicable or justifiable, to the extent that is possible.  It's like he is searching for the most Pareto suboptimal solution.

[Jacob]

I think his dementia is accelerating; of course the replacement is Vance, so it's not great regardless.

Vance is even more of a coward than Trump, with the added trait of being a lick boot. That can be good or bad. He can either he's cowed by the GOP (goodish), or trumps current minders (bad). Again assuming the GOP isn't totally corrupted. Which isn't guaranteed either.

Yeah, he is a wild card.

The succession mechanics of the MAGA movement is unclear to me. It is possible that the various power brokers already have a post-Trump plan worked out and it'll run like a well-oiled machine. It is also possible that it will be an all out shit-fight.

[Valmy]

The succession mechanics of the MAGA movement is unclear to me. It is possible that the various power brokers already have a post-Trump plan worked out and it'll run like a well-oiled machine. It is also possible that it will be an all out shit-fight.

LOL no.

This is a tail wags the dog scenario. It will be a rush to attract the MAGA base by being as Trumpian as possible.

[garbon]

The succession mechanics of the MAGA movement is unclear to me. It is possible that the various power brokers already have a post-Trump plan worked out and it'll run like a well-oiled machine. It is also possible that it will be an all out shit-fight.

LOL no.

This is a tail wags the dog scenario. It will be a rush to attract the MAGA base by being as Trumpian as possible.

I don't know exactly given we've already seen some daylight appear between what is Trumpian and what is MAGA. That's what has given Trump so many headaches with things like Epstein.

[Jacob]

LOL no.

This is a tail wags the dog scenario. It will be a rush to attract the MAGA base by being as Trumpian as possible.

I mean, I think that that is the most likely scenario also - but, it's not impossible.

My hope is, of course, that in the rush to find the right rhetorical pitch and stab various competitors to climb to the top coincides with enough other headwinds and drop in public sentiment that they damage their hold on power.

[Tamas]

The succession mechanics of the MAGA movement is unclear to me. It is possible that the various power brokers already have a post-Trump plan worked out and it'll run like a well-oiled machine. It is also possible that it will be an all out shit-fight.

LOL no.

This is a tail wags the dog scenario. It will be a rush to attract the MAGA base by being as Trumpian as possible.

I don't know exactly given we've already seen some daylight appear between what is Trumpian and what is MAGA. That's what has given Trump so many headaches with things like Epstein.

Yeah but what you are saying there is that it might be enough for them to cater to the likes of TMG, not a good scenario, still

[Maladict]

Seems like Rutte is continuing with the Daddy Trump approach. Just because it hasn't worked at all doesn't mean it won't suddenly start working, I guess.

It's just what he does.

[Jacob]

Vivian Motzfeldt (Greenland's foreign affairs minister) speaks about the Greenlandish perspective (about 8 minutes):

Worth checking out if you're considering some of the various "they can just pay off the Greenlanders" or "the US is liberating the poor colonized Greenlanders from the evil Danes" perspectives that have come up over time.

[Legbiter]

Not that the Nordics can relax the finger on the trigger but Trump did just put this out.



No tariff war over Greenland. Unless he smells weakness.

[Tamas]

This Golden Dome thing, that is no doubt going to be labelled the Trump Dome if ever built - what is it? Is it the real deal in terms of anti-ICBM defense? I suspect not, since Russia isn't screeching about it.

[Legbiter]

Vivian Motzfeldt (Greenland's foreign affairs minister) speaks about the Greenlandish perspective (about 8 minutes):

Worth checking out if you're considering some of the various "they can just pay off the Greenlanders" or "the US is liberating the poor colonized Greenlanders from the evil Danes" perspectives that have come up over time.

I love her characterization of Trump as a man-biting sled dog, unusable for it's purpose, and the remedy description. That meeting with Vance really did not go well.

[Legbiter]

This Golden Dome thing, that is no doubt going to be labelled the Trump Dome if ever built - what is it? Is it the real deal in terms of anti-ICBM defense? I suspect not, since Russia isn't screeching about it.

It's a powerpoint/AI slop presentation that envisages a satellite constellation shooting down incoming ICBMs much like the old SDI of the 80's did. It does not otherwise exist as far as I know.   

[The Minsky Moment]

No tariff war over Greenland. Unless he smells weakness.

There you go.  Now you are guys are learning.

[Valmy]

Not that the Nordics can relax the finger on the trigger but Trump did just put this out.

No tariff war over Greenland. Unless he smells weakness.

Yep. You responded with hostility and he backed down. That is how it's done. The Canadians get this.

The British and the Democrats are too stupid unfortunately.