US - Greenland Crisis Thread

[mongers]

So far Sweden, Norway and Germany have announced personnel going to Greenland. I expect more will follow.

According to our state broadcaster, the massive reinforcement is two (2), deux, zwei, dos, dois, to people. 
You are: Welcome. Plz send red hot dogs.

Sometimes tripwires work better if they're quite thin.

[HVC]

According to our state broadcaster, the massive reinforcement is two (2), deux, zwei, dos, dois, to people. 
You are: Welcome. Plz send red hot dogs.

My understanding is that most of the people going right now are there to pave the way for actual troops being sent. They're some kind of logistics/ planning officers most likely.

I think that's a mistake. In this case they should follow to trump way and act first, figure it out later. Send the troops and then the planners... or send them at the same time.

[Sheilbh]

But in terms of substance, it seems like nothing has really changed. Which is not good, but also not bad.

Wonder if the other European leaders should have gone?

Just thinking of the approach with Ukraine since the ambush of Zelensky in the Oval Office where it seems like the strategy is basically not to leave him on isolated with the Americans so all the subsequent meetings either have him with Macron, Merz and Starmer - or those three fly to DC immediately after any meeting with Zelensky.

It's not a great look for Europe but I think it is the best way of managing the risk to Ukraine - and has, so far, been relatively effective. On the other hand I wonder if from a Danish and Greenlander perspective it kind of concedes that the point that sovereignty is in play?

[crazy canuck]

Imagine what we could have spent our time and resources on instead of this nonsense. So idiotic, everyone having to pretend there some rationale or meaning behind this.

This

As a strategy of distraction to get people to forget about the Epstein files, it has been remarkably successful.

[Admiral Yi]

On the other hand I wonder if from a Danish and Greenlander perspective it kind of concedes that the point that sovereignty is in play?

That's the decision tree.  Do you defy Trump, which saves your dignity and pride, or do you kiss his ass and give him an exit ramp which yields a presumably better outcome?

[Sophie Scholl]

Kissing his ass never seems like a good long-term solution. He seems to then take it as permission to keep abusing the person/country/situation. Better to stand up to him in a calm, but forceful manner.

[Duque de Bragança]

So far Sweden, Norway and Germany have announced personnel going to Greenland. I expect more will follow.

Danish soldiers have been instructed to resist if they attacked.

Imagine what we could have spent our time and resources on instead of this nonsense. So idiotic, everyone having to pretend there some rationale or meaning behind this.

Le Monde reports French participation, chasseurs alpins.

https://www.lemonde.fr/international/live/2026/01/14/en-direct-groenland-la-france-va-envoyer-des-soldats-sur-place-pour-un-exercice-le-danemark-acte-un-desaccord-fondamental-avec-les-etats-unis_6662225_3210.html

So far, it's only military exercises. For diplomatic reasons I guess.

With more to come, regularly.
P-S : no mention in the coming months, my bad.

[Tamas]

I feel like it's a mistake to think in a multiple months time frame on this.

[Admiral Yi]

Kissing his ass never seems like a good long-term solution. He seems to then take it as permission to keep abusing the person/country/situation. Better to stand up to him in a calm, but forceful manner.

Disagree.  Micrsoft gives him a GOLDEN plaque and he lays off.  Trading partners prostrate themselves in the White House and get a  break.

People with leverage can and should defy him. The Senate  collectively has leverage because they can impeach him.  Denmark individually and Europe collectively have no leverage.  Protestors in Minnesota have no leverage.

[Sheilbh]

Kissing his ass never seems like a good long-term solution. He seems to then take it as permission to keep abusing the person/country/situation. Better to stand up to him in a calm, but forceful manner.

To be honest, aside from building up your own defence capacity, I don't think there is ever a long-term solution with Trump.

I think it is ass-kissy but I do think the way the Europeans have tried to manage the relationship around Ukraine has broadly been "so far, so good". I think it is frankly humiliating to see the British PM, French President and German Chancellor paying court to Trump every time he's speaks to Zelensky or after any call he's had with Putin (and having to do pre-meets and de-briefs every time). But I think it's the best option in a very bad situation and has so far, I think, worked about as well as you could hope for.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

According to our state broadcaster, the massive reinforcement is two (2), deux, zwei, dos, dois, to people. 
You are: Welcome. Plz send red hot dogs.

My understanding is that most of the people going right now are there to pave the way for actual troops being sent. They're some kind of logistics/ planning officers most likely.

I think that's a mistake. In this case they should follow to trump way and act first, figure it out later. Send the troops and then the planners... or send them at the same time.

then lets be really bold and drop them in the White House and Maralago. Maybe parade the fascos out too

[Jacob]

I think that's a mistake. In this case they should follow to trump way and act first, figure it out later. Send the troops and then the planners... or send them at the same time.

That makes no sense. The troops will need to be supplied. Sending troops into situations where they can't be supplied will be - at best - an embarrassment and a PR disaster.

The US does the same, it's simply that it has built up more capacity to do so faster (in some cases) and at larger scale; and that the planning element is usually overshadowed by the the big dog and pony PR show of the actual application of military force (which isn't applicable here).

[Legbiter]

So far Sweden, Norway and Germany have announced personnel going to Greenland. I expect more will follow.

Danish soldiers have been instructed to resist if they attacked.

Imagine what we could have spent our time and resources on instead of this nonsense.

Having to Baltic-tripwire Greenland to protect against an American attack is a new reality yeah. So far Norway has lucked out in that the burgers are too uneducated to know of the existence of Svalbard and the arrangement Norway has with the russians there. 

[Zoupa]

Kissing his ass never seems like a good long-term solution. He seems to then take it as permission to keep abusing the person/country/situation. Better to stand up to him in a calm, but forceful manner.

Disagree.  Micrsoft gives him a GOLDEN plaque and he lays off.  Trading partners prostrate themselves in the White House and get a  break.

People with leverage can and should defy him. The Senate  collectively has leverage because they can impeach him.  Denmark individually and Europe collectively have no leverage.  Protestors in Minnesota have no leverage.

Both Europe and Minnesotans have plenty of leverage.

[Legbiter]

There was a mention about a joint "working group". If done right that should deliver it's preliminary findings in about 90 years.